TEST TREN cycle - low libido despite PRL & E2 are correct

[The Deadlifting Dog]

(we all know that Tren is used by ranchers for cattle, but people don't know that the cows don't grow from just the Tren, the ranchers combine that Tren with a shit ton of estrogen that they inject as well)

My feeling on this is that the estrogen makes them hold more water thus weigh more thus they can be sold for more money.
Research does show that LBM goes up more when cattle are given estrogen with their tren but....
Most people don't realize that water is considered LBM.
Anything outside of fat is LBM.

Does estrogen help shuttle more water into muscles and thus more nutrients into muscle... sure.
But I would be willing to bet that most of the growth from steroids come from their direct affect on the androgen receptors rather than the extra estrogen causing growth.
If the extra estrogen caused growth then women would be larger than men. Or old men (who generally have higher estrogen) would be larger.

[GearHeaded]

My feeling on this is that the estrogen makes them hold more water thus weigh more thus they can be sold for more money.
Research does show that LBM goes up more when cattle are given estrogen with their tren but....
Most people don't realize that water is considered LBM.
Anything outside of fat is LBM.

I agree. the more intercellular water we can push into muscle cells then the bigger and fuller and more weight this muscle is going to be . water is the heaviest thing in the body . a rancher can get his cattle to weigh more by forcing more water in, the muscle/meat is going to weigh more. The estrogen is also helpful for the accumulation of fat and marbling of the meat. basically everything is going to weigh more because of holding more water. but again , water when measured in the body is considered LBM

Does estrogen help shuttle more water into muscles and thus more nutrients into muscle... sure. But I would be willing to bet that most of the growth from steroids come from their direct affect on the androgen receptors rather than the extra estrogen causing growth.
If the extra estrogen caused growth then women would be larger than men. Or old men (who generally have higher estrogen) would be larger.

well its not estrogen by itself that helps with growth. thats why women are not bigger then men. its the anabolic hormones and androgens together with estrogen that is synergistic for growth (something women don't have. .. but something cattle do have, and why they add Tren with Estrogen , its androgenic and estrogen together).

as for whats in bold .
there are class 1 and class 2 steroids . class 1 steroids illicit their action by binding to the androgen receptor . Class 2 steroids work by other mechanisms of action outside of binding to the androgen receptor. so your right in one regard but need more details on the other.
eg.
Testosterone is class 1 steroid , it does its work by binding to the androgen receptor and communicating with the cell

Dbol is a class 2 steroid, it does its work independent of the androgen receptor (does not need to bind to the AR). It works by increasing protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, intercellular water retention etc..

Dbol we know is very estrogenic as well . we also know that Dbol can blow people up and put on a lot of size and mass rather quickly , but it does NOT need to bind to the androgen receptor . so what a coincidence that Dbol converts to a powerful form of estrogen and really puts on the mass (and water).

I'm not disagreeing with your point, I think its valid,, just saying that there is probably more to it all