Insulin Use For Bodybuilding - question/answer thread

[GearHeaded]

As long as your diet calls for a sufficient amount of protein to provide muscle with enough "raw material" then you should not need to adjust your diet for your insulin use in regards to protein.

having said that , the protocol I generally recommend has 10g of EAAs and 10g of BCAAs for your first insulin dose and then 30-50g of whey isolate for your second insulin dose. this is providing you that 'extra' and guarantees the aminos are going to be there in the blood stream when you use your insulin. these 'extra' aminos are over and above your normal dietary protein.

[charger69]

As long as your diet calls for a sufficient amount of protein to provide muscle with enough "raw material" then you should not need to adjust your diet for your insulin use in regards to protein.

having said that , the protocol I generally recommend has 10g of EAAs and 10g of BCAAs for your first insulin dose and then 30-50g of whey isolate for your second insulin dose. this is providing you that 'extra' and guarantees the aminos are going to be there in the blood stream when you use your insulin. these 'extra' aminos are over and above your normal dietary protein.

What exactly is 10 g of EAAS and BCAA? I take pills and I do not understand what that relates to. My bcaa is 2:1:1. Do you add them up? 1.1 +.550+.550 per pill. So 5 pills?
EAAs is more difficult. Do I just calculate the essetial, the conditional, etc?


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[GearHeaded]

What exactly is 10 g of EAAS and BCAA? I take pills and I do not understand what that relates to. My bcaa is 2:1:1. Do you add them up? 1.1 +.550+.550 per pill. So 5 pills?
EAAs is more difficult. Do I just calculate the essetial, the conditional, etc?

eeekk.. pills. ok well your pills are probably 500mg per capsule. so you would need 40 caps total to get 10g of each in. you need to get it in powder form to mix with your carb drink. similar to a whey isolate. its weighed out in 'grams' , which is the way food can be weighed out too.
so you need 10 physical grams of each (thats physical weight).

don't worry about the ratio of one amino to another amino or doing math with that. if your brand is high quality then the ratios will be good. you just need enough 'weight' , ie', grams of each.

just like ground beef. it can be weighed out in 'grams' , so that approx 10 grams of beef is 70 calories. well you want 10 grams of pure amino acids (the building blocks of protein). thats about one large full scoop of EAA powder from a quality brand in powder form

[charger69]

eeekk.. pills. ok well your pills are probably 500mg per capsule. so you would need 40 caps total to get 10g of each in. you need to get it in powder form to mix with your carb drink. similar to a whey isolate. its weighed out in 'grams' , which is the way food can be weighed out too.
so you need 10 physical grams of each (thats physical weight).

don't worry about the ratio of one amino to another amino or doing math with that. if your brand is high quality then the ratios will be good. you just need enough 'weight' , ie', grams of each.

just like ground beef. it can be weighed out in 'grams' , so that approx 10 grams of beef is 70 calories. well you want 10 grams of pure amino acids (the building blocks of protein). thats about one large full scoop of EAA powder from a quality brand in powder form

You could have left the "eeeeek" out LOL
Thanks!


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[charger69]

eeekk.. pills. ok well your pills are probably 500mg per capsule. so you would need 40 caps total to get 10g of each in. you need to get it in powder form to mix with your carb drink. similar to a whey isolate. its weighed out in 'grams' , which is the way food can be weighed out too.
so you need 10 physical grams of each (thats physical weight).

don't worry about the ratio of one amino to another amino or doing math with that. if your brand is high quality then the ratios will be good. you just need enough 'weight' , ie', grams of each.

just like ground beef. it can be weighed out in 'grams' , so that approx 10 grams of beef is 70 calories. well you want 10 grams of pure amino acids (the building blocks of protein). thats about one large full scoop of EAA powder from a quality brand in powder form

Why do you say not to worry about the ratio?


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[GearHeaded]

Why do you say not to worry about the ratio?

because the ratio is already calculated and taken care of by the manufacturer that produced the product.. so all we do is take our 10g and know the ratio of amino is within range

[charger69]

because the ratio is already calculated and taken care of by the manufacturer that produced the product.. so all we do is take our 10g and know the ratio of amino is within range

Ok. Gotcha. They come in different ratios. I believe that the 2:1:1 ratio is the best. Anything higher is not efficient.
L-leucine assists in protein synthesis and if taking AAS there is no need for additional synthesis. If that is the case then why do they sell higher ratios? My answer is because you hear protein synthesis and figure 10:1:1 is 5 x better than 2:1:1. I call this BS. Also higher ratios are less expensive to manufacture. L- leucine is 50-60% cheaper than valine and 60-70% cheaper than Isoleucine. Any additional insight? Is there faults in my reasoning?


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Ok. Gotcha. They come in different ratios. I believe that the 2:1:1 ratio is the best. Anything higher is not efficient.
L-leucine assists in protein synthesis and if taking AAS there is no need for additional synthesis. If that is the case then why do they sell higher ratios? My answer is because you hear protein synthesis and figure 10:1:1 is 5 x better than 2:1:1. I call this BS. Also higher ratios are less expensive to manufacture. L- leucine is 50-60% cheaper than valine and 60-70% cheaper than Isoleucine. Any additional insight? Is there faults in my reasoning?

its all a gimmick or a selling point for marketing. in fact BCAA's by themselves don't even CAUSE protein synthesis , BCAAs turn on protein synthesis . But this is like turning on all the machines and lights at a factory but with no raw material to make the widgets . so protein synthesis is on but theres nothing to be built.

This is why you need the EAA's in there. this provides the raw material so that once Protein synthesis is on, it can actually 'manufacture' what it needs to.
EAAs are vitally more important then BCAAs Imo . but I throw 10g of both in my intra workout shake