Beginner seeking first time advice

[GearHeaded]

just to add to what Danny said. Testosterone and muscle building does not go up together in linear fashion, meaning that as test levels rise and go up muscle building does NOT go up with it equally.
lets say your test levels are 500 ng/dl and you take a small dose test cycle and replace that 500 with 900 ng/dl of test. WELL muscle building may not of went up or been enhanced at all just cause your test level is nearly doubled . it does not work that way. it (usually) takes a supra-physiological dose for your body to respond to and turn on all the muscle building mechanisms. basically this supra phsyildogical level illicits a response , where as a normal elevation of test levels in the body does not.

the point of running a test cycle is to get this supra physiological level and thus the muscle building response that comes from that.. testosterone is not magic, just injecting a small amount of it in your body isn't going to magically build muscle. theres lots of other things that need to happen.


note: now having said that, you can get a muscle building response from a lower dose of test if your correcting a deficiency . eg., if you have very low test, lets say 100 ng/dl and you correct that deficiency with TRT, that correction can illicit a muscle building response.

[cousinmuscles]

Also the guy in your gym is wrong. HCG won't hinder gains. It will increase your testosterone levels on cycle (not so much though). If you use it during your PCT, you're up for some rough times after that PCT. HCG is suppressive to natural testosterone production. When using SERMs you try to push your brain to produce LH and FSH to signal the testicles to start producing. HCG will cancel out the effects of that while signaling your hypothalamus-pituitary axis to stop working as there is enough testosterone and LH around. Once you stop using them it's pretty much like not doing any PCT but with the slight benefit of having no testicular atrophy.

In short, PCT consists of turning the test production button on. Injecting testosterone and HCG turns the testosterone production button off. Using HCG on cycle keeps the testosterone production factory (the testicles) functional.

[Dannyboy51577]

Hey man-you may want to double check those numbers on the guy you know. To run 100mg/wk is very counter productive- unless you normal test levels are naturally very low, like 100 or 200 ng/dl. If you have anything near normal test levels without aas, adding 100mg/wk is going to end up giving you lower numbers than most 20 or 30 something year olds produce naturally.

Like i was saying in the earlier post- once your body senses the test coming in, it sees that it has a supply coming from elsewhere and stops production in the testicles. So if you are naturally a 700ng/dl level, introduce 100mg/wk, natural shuts down, and you end up with that 100mg giving you a level in the 500 range- of ur lucky. So i would probably check that out before mqking your decision- it sounds like theres a mix up or you are getting wrong info.

[Influential]

Hey man-you may want to double check those numbers on the guy you know. To run 100mg/wk is very counter productive- unless you normal test levels are naturally very low, like 100 or 200 ng/dl. If you have anything near normal test levels without aas, adding 100mg/wk is going to end up giving you lower numbers than most 20 or 30 something year olds produce naturally.

Like i was saying in the earlier post- once your body senses the test coming in, it sees that it has a supply coming from elsewhere and stops production in the testicles. So if you are naturally a 700ng/dl level, introduce 100mg/wk, natural shuts down, and you end up with that 100mg giving you a level in the 500 range- of ur lucky. So i would probably check that out before mqking your decision- it sounds like theres a mix up or you are getting wrong info.

Spoke to the guy, turns out he’s running a different ester and is injecting 100mg every few days, big misconception on my part.

My numbers are not that high, for whatever reason. Which is why I’m considering running a lower dosage, but looking for anyone’s opinion and feedback before I do start a cycle

[GearHeaded]

Spoke to the guy, turns out he’s running a different ester and is injecting 100mg every few days, big misconception on my part.

100mg of Test prop every other day is about equal to 500mg of test cyp per week.. prop absorption is 92%, where cyp is 68% . so the dose of each of those calculates out to the mid low 300s

[Influential]

just to add to what Danny said. Testosterone and muscle building does not go up together in linear fashion, meaning that as test levels rise and go up muscle building does NOT go up with it equally.
lets say your test levels are 500 ng/dl and you take a small dose test cycle and replace that 500 with 900 ng/dl of test. WELL muscle building may not of went up or been enhanced at all just cause your test level is nearly doubled . it does not work that way. it (usually) takes a supra-physiological dose for your body to respond to and turn on all the muscle building mechanisms. basically this supra phsyildogical level illicits a response , where as a normal elevation of test levels in the body does not.

the point of running a test cycle is to get this supra physiological level and thus the muscle building response that comes from that.. testosterone is not magic, just injecting a small amount of it in your body isn't going to magically build muscle. theres lots of other things that need to happen.


note: now having said that, you can get a muscle building response from a lower dose of test if your correcting a deficiency . eg., if you have very low test, lets say 100 ng/dl and you correct that deficiency with TRT, that correction can illicit a muscle building response.

in Canada the ranges are

Test: 8.4 - 28.8nmol/L - I’m at 14.6
Free Test: 196-636pmol/L - im at 253.

So my test levels are in the mid range of Normal where as my Free Test is on the lower end of the range

This is why I was considering starting my dosage off at a lower mg/week. I think 50mg/week would be too high for someone with my levels, but then again I’m a bit uneducated.