Insulin Use For Bodybuilding - question/answer thread

[charger69]

Taking insulin as a PWO begins to allow nutrients into the muscle since skin opens the gates to the muscle.
Right after working out, your body naturally opens the gates for a period of up to 40 minutes. Can you get more bang for your buck by feeding your muscles during this time and then taking post workout slin and feeding your muscles again.
Will they be supersaturated like this and not take anything in? Will the PWO slin affect the natural opening of the gates after a workout?



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[GearHeaded]

Taking insulin as a PWO begins to allow nutrients into the muscle since skin opens the gates to the muscle.
Right after working out, your body naturally opens the gates for a period of up to 40 minutes. Can you get more bang for your buck by feeding your muscles during this time and then taking post workout slin and feeding your muscles again.
Will they be supersaturated like this and not take anything in? Will the PWO slin affect the natural opening of the gates after a workout?

where are all these 'nutrients' kept ? things like glucose, creatine, amino acids etc.. They are in the blood stream. in order for these nutrients to get to the cell they have to be shuttled there in the blood, and then insulin is the key that opens the cell to allow these nutrients in.

NOW.. if blood holds all these nutrients. and if normally most our blood is circulating through our body and around organs etc. and NOT going to muscle , BUT when we train suddenly 70% of our blood flow is going to our muscle. Wouldn't this be the best time to make sure our blood is loaded up with these nutrients and the insulin because this is when the delivery and transit time is at its most.

Yes. so pre workout we take insulin and as we begin to train we are taking in all these nutrients (creatine, glucose, aminos) that are being delivered to the blood stream on top of whats already in the blood stream. We get a ton of blood flow to the muscles and thus a ton of delivery and we have the insulin there to open the cells.
we do the same thing again about 30 mins post workout as there is 'cell signaling' going on form muscle damage. more insulin and more nutrients to take advantage of this cell signaling and enhance recovery.

basically we take insulin and nutrients around the time we have the most blood flow to the muscles, being blood is the transporter and thus a very important factor in this whole process.

an example-- if you have a bunch of luggage and want to get from Chicago to LA , a direct flight is going to be way more efficient. having 2 separate lay overs is not ..

when the very small window of time during the day that 70% of our blood is going to muscles. thats the time to jump on the 'direct flight' and take advantage of the one way trip to the muscle cell

[Obs]

where are all these 'nutrients' kept ? things like glucose, creatine, amino acids etc.. They are in the blood stream. in order for these nutrients to get to the cell they have to be shuttled there in the blood, and then insulin is the key that opens the cell to allow these nutrients in.

NOW.. if blood holds all these nutrients. and if normally most our blood is circulating through our body and around organs etc. and NOT going to muscle , BUT when we train suddenly 70% of our blood flow is going to our muscle. Wouldn't this be the best time to make sure our blood is loaded up with these nutrients and the insulin because this is when the delivery and transit time is at its most.

Yes. so pre workout we take insulin and as we begin to train we are taking in all these nutrients (creatine, glucose, aminos) that are being delivered to the blood stream on top of whats already in the blood stream. We get a ton of blood flow to the muscles and thus a ton of delivery and we have the insulin there to open the cells.
we do the same thing again about 30 mins post workout as there is 'cell signaling' going on form muscle damage. more insulin and more nutrients to take advantage of this cell signaling and enhance recovery.

basically we take insulin and nutrients around the time we have the most blood flow to the muscles, being blood is the transporter and thus a very important factor in this whole process.

an example-- if you have a bunch of luggage and want to get from Chicago to LA , a direct flight is going to be way more efficient. having 2 separate lay overs is not ..

when the very small window of time during the day that 70% of our blood is going to muscles. thats the time to jump on the 'direct flight' and take advantage of the one way trip to the muscle cell

I have been doing a morning or noon injection and then one directly at the end of workout. My theory was if I wasn't torn down the cells didn't need it but I can certainly see your point here.

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I have been doing a morning or noon injection and then one directly at the end of workout. My theory was if I wasn't torn down the cells didn't need it but I can certainly see your point here.

yep, if there is blood flow going to an area, its because the cells I that area need it. so we might as well catch that "free ride" and shuttle the nutrients while we have that blood flow going on

[Obs]

yep, if there is blood flow going to an area, its because the cells I that area need it. so we might as well catch that "free ride" and shuttle the nutrients while we have that blood flow going on

I have always seen bodybuilding as a two step, tear down then repair process. Such as... Lift to tear down and have you body entirely ready for as much anabolic activity possible, immediately thereafter.
I have always seen orals like dbol, anadrol, and even ephedrine (not aas) as mind to muscle motivators. In this sense I mean they give you the added aggression to destroy and the food you intake gives you the repair needed to grow at max potential because of the anabolic value of the AAS.

Insulin is the very thing that allows the cells to accept but if they are already loaded down to the max (preworkout) then I figured it was a waste. Post
Workout and particularly when a body finds rest, I figured as the optimum time. Like the old standard "Drink your shake within fifteen minutes post workout."

Iactually based my entire diet around that post workout time and the food and supplements I take in.

Post workout I would:
Immediately shoot 10-20 iu slin

Drink a shake with protein bcaass and carbs

Eat a huge meal and relax.


I would literally fall asleep within a few minutes minutes (I know my blood map, sleep and slin = danger)

I considered this my optimum repair time for the workout I had done.

Not arguing but rather asking what I should change?

Btw, when I eat I crash like hell. I always figured this was my body shutting down for deep recovery... Like a lion after eating, here is the nutrients, here is the restyour body needs, and the elevatd anabolic rate is whereby maximized.