No doubt about Nandrolone ( or other AAS ) cardiac damage

[cousinmuscles]

damn?

I thought this stuff was good for you and had vitamin c in it and stuff.

time to ask for a refund from source and throw stash in refuse container

Some are curious as to how the damage is done and how to lessen the impact... No need to be sarcastic bro we all know that long term use will have it's consequences

[Slacker78]

Some are curious as to how the damage is done and how to lessen the impact... No need to be sarcastic bro we all know that long term use will have it's consequences

The truth.

[Couchlockd]

Some are curious as to how the damage is done and how to lessen the impact... No need to be sarcastic bro we all know that long term use will have it's consequences

I'd venture to say conservative use.

the average human will always go more mote more.

to the point he's calling a 750 mg test, 500mg tren, 300 mg deca and 800mg primo cycle mild.

I think if we check our human nature and keep it at doses that are just effective and not overblown , it can be minimized.



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[cousinmuscles]

I'd venture to say conservative use.

the average human will always go more mote more.

to the point he's calling a 750 mg test, 500mg tren, 300 mg deca and 800mg primo cycle mild.

I think if we check our human nature and keep it at doses that are just effective and not overblown , it can be minimized.



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Unfortunately the studies report these sides at mild doses and a little higher dosages produced seemingly the same results in regards to the changes in the heart.

Agreed if it wasn't for the group of people in this forum opening my eyes I would have gone that route too. But if you just learn some things to know what they mean, like lipid values, liver values, RBC etc you get a slap in the face and see that what you did will take a long time to recover from. At least you have a more informed viewpoint (at least MORE informed than without the info) and know to a higher degree what the consequences are, then you can realize its unnecessary. Test and nandrolone is what I'll stick to and document results and up doses only if it proves to be worth it.

[Slacker78]

Unfortunately the studies report these sides at mild doses and a little higher dosages produced seemingly the same results in regards to the changes in the heart.

Agreed if it wasn't for the group of people in this forum opening my eyes I would have gone that route too. But if you just learn some things to know what they mean, like lipid values, liver values, RBC etc you get a slap in the face and see that what you did will take a long time to recover from. At least you have a more informed viewpoint (at least MORE informed than without the info) and know to a higher degree what the consequences are, then you can realize its unnecessary. Test and nandrolone is what I'll stick to and document results and up doses only if it proves to be worth it.

Time exposure, it's the biggest variable that make difference, regardless dosages.

[cousinmuscles]

Time exposure, it's the biggest variable that make difference, regardless dosages.

Short esters and make sure you are close to the point of overtraining during cycles, lesson from that

[Slacker78]

Short esters and make sure you are close to the point of overtraining during cycles, lesson from that

Do you mean being close to point of overtraining is healthy while on AAS cycle, in this sense ?

[cousinmuscles]

Do you mean being close to point of overtraining is healthy in this sense ?

To the point of rhabdomyolysis, of course not. But very hard, close to the point where you start doubting if you will get rid of the fatigue until next training. Training experience matters a lot here so you know how much workload you can handle.

It's called delayed transformation. It's when you train just above your normal training volume/intensity such that you need a deload week to recover, but the results are greater than training at normal.

Point I wanted to make is make sure you go as hard as you can during the cycles and not cut yourself short