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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Just say this in one and respond to both. Thanks.

    I have ran AI somewhat regularly before a couple times. It definitely held off my gyno lump for a while. As dosages of aas increased i found it wouldnt phase my gyno lump in the right nipple. I keep it knocked down with nolva on cycle.

    As far as hindering gains... In me I can't imagine it.
    If it does undoubtedly my ass will be on AI for the duration of my life.

    I am ceasing training my delts because they have taken over my body and tied my family up and held them hostage.

    My delts will need no effort to class in the ifbb. The rest of me needs work bad.

    If I am pissing away gains walking around with 10x the normal estrogen levels I really want to get on ai again but I really havent noticed much difference in the gains department regardless of high or low.
    Interesting,
    I wonder if different tissues, and perhaps different muscles (like delts, for example), have different ratios of androgen/estrogen receptors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quester View Post
    Interesting,
    I wonder if different tissues, and perhaps different muscles (like delts, for example), have different ratios of androgen/estrogen receptors?
    I had the same thoughts initially Q. In my case though i think i just had a bad habit of involving my shoulders too much in my chest movements. But its an interesting topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quester View Post
    Interesting,
    I wonder if different tissues, and perhaps different muscles (like delts, for example), have different ratios of androgen/estrogen receptors?
    Delts have more androgen receptors than most muscle groups I am told. As do traps and.... Something... Lats? Idk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
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    Delts have more androgen receptors than most muscle groups I am told. As do traps and.... Something... Lats? Idk
    Thats interesting, never knew that. I would imagine certain parts of the body do, just wouldnt have figured on the delts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannyboy51577 View Post
    Thats interesting, never knew that. I would imagine certain parts of the body do, just wouldnt have figured on the delts
    Some of the nerds here probably got a map

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Some of the nerds here probably got a map
    I've heard this, but numberE showed me a few studies that said it was same as any muscle group. that its just the shoulders and traps are tensed and worked to some degree in almost all upper body exersize.

    Also. as you know OBS, I followed GH advice on letting estrogen get higher with minimal AI usage, by week 6 on my cycle I had drfinate hard lump gyno starting and bloated about 15 pounds of water and mid section fat that I'm just now getting rid of.

    I require .25 Ed of adex. at that dose I feel great joints are good, BP good. bloat kept to a minimum.

    I did .5 eod and I would feel crashed about 4 hours later (sore joints in,elbows and not able to get off right)

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    I've heard this, but numberE showed me a few studies that said it was same as any muscle group. that its just the shoulders and traps are tensed and worked to some degree in almost all upper body exersize.

    Also. as you know OBS, I followed GH advice on letting estrogen get higher with minimal AI usage, by week 6 on my cycle I had drfinate hard lump gyno starting and bloated about 15 pounds of water and mid section fat that I'm just now getting rid of.

    I require .25 Ed of adex. at that dose I feel great joints are good, BP good. bloat kept to a minimum.

    I did .5 eod and I would feel crashed about 4 hours later (sore joints in,elbows and not able to get off right)
    Interesting about the dosage and receptors. I habent seen anything directly about the receptor density but had just read that a lot on here.

    I honestly cant tell I have estrogen until I crash it.


    Numbere loves me like a... Gay lover or something so I will take his word for it lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Interesting about the dosage and receptors. I habent seen anything directly about the receptor density but had just read that a lot on here.

    I honestly cant tell I have estrogen until I crash it.


    Numbere loves me like a... Gay lover or something so I will take his word for it lol!
    I got same prob obs- mine can be through the roof forever and i have no idea. But let it get too low and i know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
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    Delts have more androgen receptors than most muscle groups I am told. As do traps and.... Something... Lats? Idk
    Hence why fit chicks with capped delts have questionable natty status.

    Appears to be the most visable thing to pop

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