first cycle questions, including when to start

[Jerry54321]

Thanks, I'm not afraid of needles, but the only way I'm comfortable going on testosterone is if I do full TRT complete with an AI and hCG, and all together that's a pretty significant cocktail of drugs. I do envision that in my future, but I was hoping to put off full blown TRT as long as feasible. The dermacrine-like products I figured were the next step down from real test and might be enough for a mild steroid cycle.

My reading suggested t-bol was as mild as you could get with steroids. I'm not attached to orals-only though, are any of the injectables considered mild?

I kind of feel like the consensus here is that everybody should just go with TRT + steroids, but for someone trying to postpone TRT would you say steroids are completely off the table or are "mild" cycles a possibility?

Thanks for the link and advice

[cousinmuscles]

Thanks, I'm not afraid of needles, but the only way I'm comfortable going on testosterone is if I do full TRT complete with an AI and hCG, and all together that's a pretty significant cocktail of drugs. I do envision that in my future, but I was hoping to put off full blown TRT as long as feasible. The dermacrine-like products I figured were the next step down from real test and might be enough for a mild steroid cycle.

My reading suggested t-bol was as mild as you could get with steroids. I'm not attached to orals-only though, are any of the injectables considered mild?

I kind of feel like the consensus here is that everybody should just go with TRT + steroids, but for someone trying to postpone TRT would you say steroids are completely off the table or are "mild" cycles a possibility?

Thanks for the link and advice

Let me correct myself, mk2866 is suppressive, I was thinking of ibutamoren the peptide lol!

You don't need to go on TRT just because you'll do a cycle or two.

Orals like turinabol (actually pretty much all orals) are harsher than testosterone but by themselves do not give much gains. They are less suppressive but thats just one aspect. Just run a good PCT and HCG throughout your cycle and you shouldn't have any problems. Don't stay on for too long either, 12 weeks is good enough, the longer you are shut down the harder it is to recover. What I noticed with using an oral during TRT is it doesn't work as near as good as on cycle and the gains fade away.

Regarding TRT, you won't need arimidex if you keep your TRT dose at 80-100mg testosterone per week. Once you bring your levels to supraphysiological levels, that testosterone will aromatize and the your estrogen will end up too high... thus you'll need an AI. Arimidex isn't that bad for a cycle either it just affects lipids a little. You can use exemestane it is much milder on lipids. HCG isn't harmful in any way and at 500 iu per week it will not mess with your test levels such that they go too high and you suddenly need an AI, but will maintain testicle size and function...