i hate to ask, but..

[rbm33]

Great advice guys, I think ill add a little Tren to my supply and finish off my cycle with a lower dose of tren and Mast.

I did forget to mention that I'm on TRT and run abbot 150mg of test C weekly.

[Obs]

Great advice guys, I think ill add a little Tren to my supply and finish off my cycle with a lower dose of tren and Mast.

I did forget to mention that I'm on TRT and run abbot 150mg of test C weekly.

Btw... Dont ever be hesitant to post. We are all trying to make people feel more comfortable and amoungst brothers here.
The whole mood here has changed lately.

[Couchlockd]

Yes mood changed.

You can literally rock out with you cock and/or Glock out!

[kelkel]

The whole mood here has changed lately.

Hey, I'm always in a good mood....

[Obs]

Hey, I'm always in a good mood....

You always put everyone in a good mood.
You are one of a kind.

[Windex]

Great advice guys, I think ill add a little Tren to my supply and finish off my cycle with a lower dose of tren and Mast.

I did forget to mention that I'm on TRT and run abbot 150mg of test C weekly.

Is your TRT done as 75mg twice per week or all in 1 shot ? Also do you have HCG as part of your TRT?

You may also be a candidate for HGH - something to consider / look in to.

Also since you said you handle Tren well, if it was me I would sell the EQ and buy more Tren or Nandrolone for the future.

[GearHeaded]

Also since you said you handle Tren well, if it was me I would sell the EQ and buy more Tren or Nandrolone for the future.

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

[Obs]

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

Low dose nolva beats AI everytime imho...

[Charlie67]

Low dose nolva beats AI everytime imho...

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

[Couchlockd]

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

There gotta be a perfect ratio.

35e to 700 t?

And just go up from there?

70e 1400t?

I'm.just grabbing at straws.

But I'd assume there is a perfect ratio.

[GearHeaded]

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

its really person dependent.. with the Masteon in there plus the Nolva. I'm guessing you had very little negative estrogen sides even though blood levels were high (the estrogen receptors in the negative areas we want blocked, like breast tissue and fat tissue, were bound up and estrogen had no effect on them .. thats a good thing. where as the estrogen receptors we don't want blocked, like in the liver and muscle tissue, were benefiting from the elevated e).. however that number is pretty high on only 300mg of test. do you know what your 'free test' numbers were on that test

[GearHeaded]

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

from my impression of the way you run gear Obs, you may be better suited running Boldenone Ace (which is just fast acting EQ).. better suited for guys that really blast imo

[Couchlockd]

from my impression of the way you run gear Obs, you may be better suited running Boldenone Ace (which is just fast acting EQ).. better suited for guys that really blast imo

I want to try things like that

Bold ace
Test ace
TPP
primo tabs.

[GearHeaded]

I want to try things like that

Bold ace
Test ace
TPP
primo tabs.

people are realizing the benefits of using shorter esters and this stuff is becoming more available..

in regards to primo tabs --
I've always said that oral steroids are generally stronger and have more 'punch' to them then their equal counterpart in injectible form (Dbol tabs are way stronger then injectable Dbol for eg.).

however, Primo is the ONE exception . I would go with injectable Primobolan Ace over the primo oral tabs (the inject is 50mg/ml though).
I don't think primo is very strong orally because it is not 17 alkalated (which means its not too bad for your liver, but mg per mg it doesn't absorb well and is considered 'weak'). I've never ran oral primo though, just depot and ace.

[almostgone]

I want to try things like that

Bold ace
Test ace
TPP
primo tabs.

Just never touch bold prop. If you see it available somewhere, kick the seller in the nads.

[Obs]

from my impression of the way you run gear Obs, you may be better suited running Boldenone Ace (which is just fast acting EQ).. better suited for guys that really blast imo

I did not know there was short acting boldenone...
Damn.
When I write something off I pay no attention and miss important shit

[Windex]

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I did say "If it was me..."

Not many people handle Tren well and it's a lot stronger of a compound and in my opinion better for bulking than EQ with 5x the Anabolic Rating. As an analogy, Steak is a better protein source than boneless/skinless Chicken, but not everyone can afford steak, so for those that can, they have reason to be more inclined to choose the better option.

I would rather keep Test low, not have to run an AI, and only worry about managing prolactin with a 19nor (200 Test+Masteron allows for this).

Also, EQ only lasted a decade before being discontinued for human use and being transitioned equestrian applications. I've seen hundreds of horses on EQ and I've seen people in the gym, in the community, and on the board - the differences are a complete joke which is why I don't feel it to be an effective steroid use for humans.

EQ Dosing for horses is 0.13-0.50mg/lb - One of the largest breeds of horses is a Percheron which has an average weight of 1900 lbs. That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs. Most people are advised to take 800-1g of EQ, aka more than an animal which exponentially more muscle mass. Yes, I understand people are not like horses but the goals are the same and the example still applies.

That is why I don't think EQ has a place in bodybuilding, again, which is why I stated "If it was me..."

[GearHeaded]

I did say "If it was me..."

Not many people handle Tren well and it's a lot stronger of a compound and in my opinion better for bulking than EQ with 5x the Anabolic Rating

things on paper do not always equate to real life. is tren 5x more anabolic then EQ, sure. but Halotestin is like 19x more anabolic then Test and 5x more anabolic then Tren .. yet anyone who has used Halo knows, it sucks for bulking. its a way better cutter.

ever ran Tren by itself or with a very low dose of just Test ? Plenty of guys have. They expect to blow up on tren, and after a few weeks they find they are actually losing weight. its not a stand alone bulker at all. its high androgenic rating with zero ability to convert to estrogen keeps it from being able to add on a lot of size (unless properly stacked).

as much as I like Tren . From my own practical experience and what I've seen with other guys, I cannot confidently say that Tren is a bulker and EQ is not. its very context dependent . like I said, run Tren solo and when you start losing weight you may re-consider your opinion on Tren being a bulker.


having said that.. combine Tren with a shit ton of estrogen (example, 500 tren with 50mg of Dbol per day, and 1000mg of test per week with NO AI) and thats when the magic happens and Tren becomes a very good bulking agent. reason why Tren is not given to bulk up cattle WITHOUT ESTROGEN being injected as well.

but as for EQ - its not even in this conversation . its an entirely different compound for entirely different goals and reasons. like I say. apples and oranges here.

That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs

and just a side note-- I never knew EQ was used to try and put 100 pounds of mass on a race horse. seems counter productive to me.

always heard of EQ being used to raise the horses aerobic capacity , increase recovery, performance, and even joint health with collagen synthesis and synovial fluid retention.
adding 100 pounds to a race horse in 10 days would just slow that horse down big time.

but hey. I don't know shit about horses

[Windex]

things on paper do not always equate to real life. is tren 5x more anabolic then EQ, sure. but Halotestin is like 19x more anabolic then Test and 5x more anabolic then Tren .. yet anyone who has used Halo knows, it sucks for bulking. its a way better cutter.

ever ran Tren by itself or with a very low dose of just Test ? Plenty of guys have. They expect to blow up on tren, and after a few weeks they find they are actually losing weight. its not a stand alone bulker at all. its high androgenic rating with zero ability to convert to estrogen keeps it from being able to add on a lot of size (unless properly stacked).

as much as I like Tren . From my own practical experience and what I've seen with other guys, I cannot confidently say that Tren is a bulker and EQ is not. its very context dependent . like I said, run Tren solo and when you start losing weight you may re-consider your opinion on Tren being a bulker.


having said that.. combine Tren with a shit ton of estrogen (example, 500 tren with 50mg of Dbol per day, and 1000mg of test per week with NO AI) and thats when the magic happens and Tren becomes a very good bulking agent. reason why Tren is not given to bulk up cattle WITHOUT ESTROGEN being injected as well.

but as for EQ - its not even in this conversation . its an entirely different compound for entirely different goals and reasons. like I say. apples and oranges here.



and just a side note-- I never knew EQ was used to try and put 100 pounds of mass on a race horse. seems counter productive to me.

always heard of EQ being used to raise the horses aerobic capacity , increase recovery, performance, and even joint health with collagen synthesis and synovial fluid retention.
adding 100 pounds to a race horse in 10 days would just slow that horse down big time.

but hey. I don't know shit about horses

Percherons aren't race horses they are work horses. Saying equipoise is for only race horses is like saying Monkeys only eat bananas.

[GearHeaded]

Percherons aren't race horses they are work horses. Saying equipoise is for only race horses is like saying Monkeys only eat bananas.

well I did make it clear that I don't know shit about horses

[GearHeaded]

I don't think EQ has a place in bodybuilding

thats a pretty bold statement

so an IFBB pro (I won't name publicly but you all are familiar) who has been in the game for 25 years, done over 60 shows, placed in the Arnold.. when he says he never ran Tren to get to where he got to (but did run plenty of test, eq, gh, and diuretics) . we should dismiss that being EQ has no place in bodybuilding.

or when top level 'gurus' have EQ in Olympia comepetitors off season and on season cycles , we should dismiss that.

or when guys who have been over 300 pounds and jacked and competed at a high level , like Dave Palumbo, and who have coached pros for years, say that EQ is his favorite anabolic,. we should dismiss that cause EQ really has no place in bodybuilding .

seems like a ludacris statement to say that one of the most popular bodybuilding drugs for decades and decades has no place in bodybuilding, when in fact that is the EXACT place the drug is primarily used !!

[GearHeaded]

EQ Dosing for horses is 0.13-0.50mg/lb - One of the largest breeds of horses is a Percheron which has an average weight of 1900 lbs. That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs.

so by your math, a 1900 pound horse can put on about 4% his body weight in mass by taking EQ (which to you seems like a big deal and that EQ is great for mass for horses but not humans).. but a man can't put on 4% his body weight in mass by taking EQ.
how much do you weigh ? lets just say 180 pounds .. so you don't think EQ can help you put on only 7 pounds (ie, thats 4% just like the horse)

1900 pound horse takes eq and gains 75 pounds like you said ,,, thats 4% mass increase
180 pound man takes eq and gains 7 pounds ... thats a 4% mass increase

hmm.. seems very reasonable to me. so not sure why you say horses respond to EQ but humans don't

[MuscleScience]

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I pretty much believe in running low dosages of T if combining with other compounds. Competitive inhibition for binding sites is kinda my thinking on it. I probably would use EQ again if someone gave it to me, which is what ended up happening. I did get veiny as Fuck and it really complemented my Keto diet at the time.

[GearHeaded]

and for those that are not aware .. EQ was developed by taking Dianabol and making it into an injectable (chemically on paper they are the exact same drug minus the 17 alkalation).

NO injectable Dbol is not EQ lol . injectable Dbol is pure Dbol, 17 alkalated and all in an injectible solution .. EQ is Dbol chemically altered to remove the 17 alkalation (which results in EQ not being very estrogenic).. and Dbol was originally made to be a type of oral test . when EQ came about shortly after, they realized the EQ was basically a non estrogenic form of test to a certain degree

[rbm33]

Is your TRT done as 75mg twice per week or all in 1 shot ? Also do you have HCG as part of your TRT?

You may also be a candidate for HGH - something to consider / look in to.

Also since you said you handle Tren well, if it was me I would sell the EQ and buy more Tren or Nandrolone for the future.

I do the TRT shots at 75mg twice per week. I was running HGH for about a year but I stopped in June. I was doing two injections daily totaling 3 IU. at the time I didn't think I was getting much gain from it but looking back now I think I should probably pick that back up.

currently I'm not running HCG, I have in the past but I have to keep my dosages pretty low. I take 15 mg Mobic daily for inflammation and oddly enough the HCG causes me to have some side effects from the Mobic.

[Windex]

I do the TRT shots at 75mg twice per week. I was running HGH for about a year but I stopped in June. I was doing two injections daily totaling 3 IU. at the time I didn't think I was getting much gain from it but looking back now I think I should probably pick that back up.

currently I'm not running HCG, I have in the past but I have to keep my dosages pretty low. I take 15 mg Mobic daily for inflammation and oddly enough the HCG causes me to have some side effects from the Mobic.

Are you taking it only for inflammation or do you have arthritis as well? If it's only for inflammation you have tons of alternatives available.

[rbm33]

Are you taking it only for inflammation or do you have arthritis as well? If it's only for inflammation you have tons of alternatives available.

Just inflammation which causes me to have achy joints. maybe its time I looked at some alternatives.