i hate to ask, but..

[Obs]

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

Low dose nolva beats AI everytime imho...

[Charlie67]

Low dose nolva beats AI everytime imho...

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

[Couchlockd]

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

There gotta be a perfect ratio.

35e to 700 t?

And just go up from there?

70e 1400t?

I'm.just grabbing at straws.

But I'd assume there is a perfect ratio.

[GearHeaded]

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

its really person dependent.. with the Masteon in there plus the Nolva. I'm guessing you had very little negative estrogen sides even though blood levels were high (the estrogen receptors in the negative areas we want blocked, like breast tissue and fat tissue, were bound up and estrogen had no effect on them .. thats a good thing. where as the estrogen receptors we don't want blocked, like in the liver and muscle tissue, were benefiting from the elevated e).. however that number is pretty high on only 300mg of test. do you know what your 'free test' numbers were on that test

[Charlie67]

its really person dependent.. with the Masteon in there plus the Nolva. I'm guessing you had very little negative estrogen sides even though blood levels were high .....

Yeah that's true, I was shocked at the number, but I really wasn't feeling bad at all. Admittedly, I've always kept my E in check, so I'm not sure I really know what high E feels like.

..... however that number is pretty high on only 300mg of test. do you know what your 'free test' numbers were on that test

Unfortunately no, I only got Total test that time, no SHBG or anything. How would knowing my 'free test' be helpful? I have 'free test' values from random other cycles, but I don't get it every time.

[GearHeaded]

Yeah that's true, I was shocked at the number, but I really wasn't feeling bad at all. Admittedly, I've always kept my E in check, so I'm not sure I really know what high E feels like.

thats what I like about SERMS ('selective' estrogen receptor modulators) . its 'selectively' blocking estrogen effects and not all E effects nor lowering blood levels of E like an AI would . lots of benefits here. one being the more E you have in the blood stream available to pass through the liver , the more the liver is able to produce HDL cholesterol (one reason why an AI lowers 'good' cholesterol and a serm does not).
and also the elevated IGF levels and anabolic effects higher blood levels of E have on muscle tissue.
so you were getting benefits out of the higher E levels, while blocking some of the negative traits . thats probably why you felt just fine

How would knowing my 'free test' be helpful? I have 'free test' values form random other cycles, but I don't get it every time.

I was curious how much the Masteron may of been playing a part here, as it lowers SHBG and will then help raise free test levels. basically, Masteron can turn your 300mg of test your running and make it seem to work more like your running 400-500mg

[GearHeaded]

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

from my impression of the way you run gear Obs, you may be better suited running Boldenone Ace (which is just fast acting EQ).. better suited for guys that really blast imo

[Couchlockd]

from my impression of the way you run gear Obs, you may be better suited running Boldenone Ace (which is just fast acting EQ).. better suited for guys that really blast imo

I want to try things like that

Bold ace
Test ace
TPP
primo tabs.

[GearHeaded]

I want to try things like that

Bold ace
Test ace
TPP
primo tabs.

people are realizing the benefits of using shorter esters and this stuff is becoming more available..

in regards to primo tabs --
I've always said that oral steroids are generally stronger and have more 'punch' to them then their equal counterpart in injectible form (Dbol tabs are way stronger then injectable Dbol for eg.).

however, Primo is the ONE exception . I would go with injectable Primobolan Ace over the primo oral tabs (the inject is 50mg/ml though).
I don't think primo is very strong orally because it is not 17 alkalated (which means its not too bad for your liver, but mg per mg it doesn't absorb well and is considered 'weak'). I've never ran oral primo though, just depot and ace.

[almostgone]

I want to try things like that

Bold ace
Test ace
TPP
primo tabs.

Just never touch bold prop. If you see it available somewhere, kick the seller in the nads.

[Obs]

from my impression of the way you run gear Obs, you may be better suited running Boldenone Ace (which is just fast acting EQ).. better suited for guys that really blast imo

I did not know there was short acting boldenone...
Damn.
When I write something off I pay no attention and miss important shit