i hate to ask, but..

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I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I did say "If it was me..."

Not many people handle Tren well and it's a lot stronger of a compound and in my opinion better for bulking than EQ with 5x the Anabolic Rating. As an analogy, Steak is a better protein source than boneless/skinless Chicken, but not everyone can afford steak, so for those that can, they have reason to be more inclined to choose the better option.

I would rather keep Test low, not have to run an AI, and only worry about managing prolactin with a 19nor (200 Test+Masteron allows for this).

Also, EQ only lasted a decade before being discontinued for human use and being transitioned equestrian applications. I've seen hundreds of horses on EQ and I've seen people in the gym, in the community, and on the board - the differences are a complete joke which is why I don't feel it to be an effective steroid use for humans.

EQ Dosing for horses is 0.13-0.50mg/lb - One of the largest breeds of horses is a Percheron which has an average weight of 1900 lbs. That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs. Most people are advised to take 800-1g of EQ, aka more than an animal which exponentially more muscle mass. Yes, I understand people are not like horses but the goals are the same and the example still applies.

That is why I don't think EQ has a place in bodybuilding, again, which is why I stated "If it was me..."

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I did say "If it was me..."

Not many people handle Tren well and it's a lot stronger of a compound and in my opinion better for bulking than EQ with 5x the Anabolic Rating

things on paper do not always equate to real life. is tren 5x more anabolic then EQ, sure. but Halotestin is like 19x more anabolic then Test and 5x more anabolic then Tren .. yet anyone who has used Halo knows, it sucks for bulking. its a way better cutter.

ever ran Tren by itself or with a very low dose of just Test ? Plenty of guys have. They expect to blow up on tren, and after a few weeks they find they are actually losing weight. its not a stand alone bulker at all. its high androgenic rating with zero ability to convert to estrogen keeps it from being able to add on a lot of size (unless properly stacked).

as much as I like Tren . From my own practical experience and what I've seen with other guys, I cannot confidently say that Tren is a bulker and EQ is not. its very context dependent . like I said, run Tren solo and when you start losing weight you may re-consider your opinion on Tren being a bulker.


having said that.. combine Tren with a shit ton of estrogen (example, 500 tren with 50mg of Dbol per day, and 1000mg of test per week with NO AI) and thats when the magic happens and Tren becomes a very good bulking agent. reason why Tren is not given to bulk up cattle WITHOUT ESTROGEN being injected as well.

but as for EQ - its not even in this conversation . its an entirely different compound for entirely different goals and reasons. like I say. apples and oranges here.

That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs

and just a side note-- I never knew EQ was used to try and put 100 pounds of mass on a race horse. seems counter productive to me.

always heard of EQ being used to raise the horses aerobic capacity , increase recovery, performance, and even joint health with collagen synthesis and synovial fluid retention.
adding 100 pounds to a race horse in 10 days would just slow that horse down big time.

but hey. I don't know shit about horses

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things on paper do not always equate to real life. is tren 5x more anabolic then EQ, sure. but Halotestin is like 19x more anabolic then Test and 5x more anabolic then Tren .. yet anyone who has used Halo knows, it sucks for bulking. its a way better cutter.

ever ran Tren by itself or with a very low dose of just Test ? Plenty of guys have. They expect to blow up on tren, and after a few weeks they find they are actually losing weight. its not a stand alone bulker at all. its high androgenic rating with zero ability to convert to estrogen keeps it from being able to add on a lot of size (unless properly stacked).

as much as I like Tren . From my own practical experience and what I've seen with other guys, I cannot confidently say that Tren is a bulker and EQ is not. its very context dependent . like I said, run Tren solo and when you start losing weight you may re-consider your opinion on Tren being a bulker.


having said that.. combine Tren with a shit ton of estrogen (example, 500 tren with 50mg of Dbol per day, and 1000mg of test per week with NO AI) and thats when the magic happens and Tren becomes a very good bulking agent. reason why Tren is not given to bulk up cattle WITHOUT ESTROGEN being injected as well.

but as for EQ - its not even in this conversation . its an entirely different compound for entirely different goals and reasons. like I say. apples and oranges here.



and just a side note-- I never knew EQ was used to try and put 100 pounds of mass on a race horse. seems counter productive to me.

always heard of EQ being used to raise the horses aerobic capacity , increase recovery, performance, and even joint health with collagen synthesis and synovial fluid retention.
adding 100 pounds to a race horse in 10 days would just slow that horse down big time.

but hey. I don't know shit about horses

Percherons aren't race horses they are work horses. Saying equipoise is for only race horses is like saying Monkeys only eat bananas.

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Percherons aren't race horses they are work horses. Saying equipoise is for only race horses is like saying Monkeys only eat bananas.

well I did make it clear that I don't know shit about horses

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My horse eats anabolic hay.

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Just gonna add to the argument that horses are sensitive to medicine. Their digestive and metabolic system is not like a humans at all.

They arealso bigpussys about electricity. You can knock some unconscious with a hotshot

Eq is to be taken at 700mg and above for desireable results. Dont care what a book says. I know a lotta big motherfuggers that use it.

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I don't think EQ has a place in bodybuilding

thats a pretty bold statement

so an IFBB pro (I won't name publicly but you all are familiar) who has been in the game for 25 years, done over 60 shows, placed in the Arnold.. when he says he never ran Tren to get to where he got to (but did run plenty of test, eq, gh, and diuretics) . we should dismiss that being EQ has no place in bodybuilding.

or when top level 'gurus' have EQ in Olympia comepetitors off season and on season cycles , we should dismiss that.

or when guys who have been over 300 pounds and jacked and competed at a high level , like Dave Palumbo, and who have coached pros for years, say that EQ is his favorite anabolic,. we should dismiss that cause EQ really has no place in bodybuilding .

seems like a ludacris statement to say that one of the most popular bodybuilding drugs for decades and decades has no place in bodybuilding, when in fact that is the EXACT place the drug is primarily used !!

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EQ Dosing for horses is 0.13-0.50mg/lb - One of the largest breeds of horses is a Percheron which has an average weight of 1900 lbs. That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs.

so by your math, a 1900 pound horse can put on about 4% his body weight in mass by taking EQ (which to you seems like a big deal and that EQ is great for mass for horses but not humans).. but a man can't put on 4% his body weight in mass by taking EQ.
how much do you weigh ? lets just say 180 pounds .. so you don't think EQ can help you put on only 7 pounds (ie, thats 4% just like the horse)

1900 pound horse takes eq and gains 75 pounds like you said ,,, thats 4% mass increase
180 pound man takes eq and gains 7 pounds ... thats a 4% mass increase

hmm.. seems very reasonable to me. so not sure why you say horses respond to EQ but humans don't