IFBB pros may think different about drugs

[GearHeaded]

this short video just goes to show that IFBB pros often times think quite differently about steroids and whats strong and whats weak, or whats a bulking drug or not, compared to your average gym rats and forum warriors.




and to think , some guys say that primo is super weak and EQ shouldn't even be a bodybuilding drug

[MuscleScience]

It’s hard to argue with any of his points especially when you consider how hard it is now to get real pharma drugs.

[BG]

I “went in” on an order with someone years ago and was very surprised with what he got and how he ran it. Primo was my favorite just after a while every cycle took its toll on my hair. Great drug if real........add some dbol and magic happens.

[Couchlockd]

Awesome video.

[Capebuffalo]

Waiting for part 2

[Obs]

I like it but good lord I need to set this guy up with a source.
I have never ran primo but hear it is often faked because of price as well as anavar but I have never had underdosed deca. This one I know for certain because I run it low dose. When I am not on it my RA takes over.

Balkan and pcom are not underdosed ever.
I have never ran EQ but I think this guy is outdated on sorces today. They compete or get screwed.

AEL fell into one batch of underdosed raws on their test and now they are a no name. They had a huge reputation and it went to shit in about a month.

I am very eager to run some pcom primo and bold.

[Couchlockd]

I like it but good lord I need to set this guy up with a source.
I have never ran primo but hear it is often faked because of price as well as anavar but I have never had underdosed deca. This one I know for certain because I run it low dose. When I am not on it my RA takes over.

Balkan and pcom are not underdosed ever.
I have never ran EQ but I think this guy is outdated on sorces today. They compete or get screwed.

AEL fell into one batch of underdosed raws on their test and now they are a no name. They had a huge reputation and it went to shit in about a month.

I am very eager to run some pcom primo and bold.

Me too. I Soo want to try EQ.

[Capebuffalo]

Me too. I Soo want to try EQ.

I never had success with it. And I know it was good. It just never did for me what others raved about.

[GearHeaded]

I “went in” on an order with someone years ago and was very surprised with what he got and how he ran it. Primo was my favorite just after a while every cycle took its toll on my hair. Great drug if real........add some dbol and magic happens.

I used to get Primo prescribed to me from an anti-aging clinic and so it came from a pharmacy .. one of my favorite compounds to just cruise on and run solo. it does the job and you feel great and can't even tell that your on (in regards to negative sides, headaches, bp, etc). Unfortunately I was paying around 350 a bottle , so yeah you can imagine I didn't cruise long. I've ran several UGL Primo but never have ran them solo, always stacked with like 4 other compounds so have no real idea how it compares mg per mg to the pharma primo.

[kelkel]

Just starting to watch it but cracked up at his line "Tren should only be run 4-6 weeks, maybe 7 if you're fat."

[BG]

I used to get Primo prescribed to me from an anti-aging clinic and so it came from a pharmacy .. one of my favorite compounds to just cruise on and run solo. it does the job and you feel great and can't even tell that your on (in regards to negative sides, headaches, bp, etc). Unfortunately I was paying around 350 a bottle , so yeah you can imagine I didn't cruise long. I've ran several UGL Primo but never have ran them solo, always stacked with like 4 other compounds so have no real idea how it compares mg per mg to the pharma primo.

Yes it was expensive to run but worth it. It was the best secondary compound by far, taken all things into consideration, you could go any direction with it. You can run it to cut or bulk, adjust your diet and add a third compound to compliment which goal you wanted to achieve. My biggest, Im not talking weight, just straight jacked I was on test-e,GH, primo and drol. I would add the drol at week 10 for 4 weeks. I know many will say it was the gh.....I ran gh with every cycle so I could tell what was doing what........test-e/GH was my base for every cycle. On top of that, adding a dht to every cycle is a must, kind of a lost thing, was big years ago, you have to have a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. Thats why Im 100% against "jump starting" a cycle with orals, stupidest thing you could do is drop your ratio once your injectibles are at full strength........add the oral in at week 7-8 when your long ester blood levels just peak.

The pro cycle that my friend was running used this, but he cycled out many orals, 4 weeks of winny, 4 weeks of drol, 4 weeks of dbol along with a very nice base of injectibles........funny thing was Piana spoke about this all the time, people would shit on him but always ask "what do pro cycles look like" and he was spelling it out for them the whole time.

Every since ORD and the big raw bust I really never responded to tren like I did 05'-08'.........the raws (ugl's) were never the same, I dont care what anybody says, Ive ran UGL that was out of this world, but G.Bush Jr. crushed that, what people are getting today is garbage.

[BG]

I used to get Primo prescribed to me from an anti-aging clinic and so it came from a pharmacy .. one of my favorite compounds to just cruise on and run solo. it does the job and you feel great and can't even tell that your on (in regards to negative sides, headaches, bp, etc). Unfortunately I was paying around 350 a bottle , so yeah you can imagine I didn't cruise long. I've ran several UGL Primo but never have ran them solo, always stacked with like 4 other compounds so have no real idea how it compares mg per mg to the pharma primo.

Yes it was expensive to run but worth it. It was the best secondary compound by far, taken all things into consideration, you could go any direction with it. You can run it to cut or bulk, adjust your diet and add a third compound to compliment which goal you wanted to achieve. My biggest, Im not talking weight, just straight jacked I was on test-e,GH, primo and drol. I would add the drol at week 10 for 4 weeks. I know many will say it was the gh.....I ran gh with every cycle so I could tell what was doing what........test-e/GH was my base for every cycle. On top of that, adding a dht to every cycle is a must, kind of a lost thing, was big years ago, you have to have a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. Thats why Im 100% against "jump starting" a cycle with orals, stupidest thing you could do is drop your ratio once your injectibles are at full strength........add the oral in at week 7-8 when your long ester blood levels just peak.

The pro cycle that my friend was running used this, but he cycled out many orals, 4 weeks of winny, 4 weeks of drol, 4 weeks of dbol along with a very nice base of injectibles........funny thing was Piana spoke about this all the time, people would shit on him but always ask "what do pro cycles look like" and he was spelling it out for them the whole time.

[GearHeaded]

you have to have a good anabolic/androgenic ratio. .

so true. this is where many guys go wrong when putting together a stack. they totally miss this point and simply stack drugs they want to try, with no rhyme or reason as to 'ratio' .
I would just add in "estrogenic" ratio as a factor along with the anabolic/androgenic to consider as well.

[German89]

this short video just goes to show that IFBB pros often times think quite differently about steroids and whats strong and whats weak, or whats a bulking drug or not, compared to your average gym rats and forum warriors.




and to think , some guys say that primo is super weak and EQ shouldn't even be a bodybuilding drug

Thanks for posting this. Someone on IG posted this and, meant to save it so i could watch it.

[kelkel]

Who is he btw. I don't recognize him.

[GearHeaded]

Who is he btw. I don't recognize him.

Nick Trigili , he's a no longer competing IFBB pro. 2014 Mr USA.

just a side note - personally I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say and he is very weak when it comes to the 'science' aspect of bodybuilding.. but I find his real life practical insights useful

[kelkel]

Nick Trigili , he's a no longer competing IFBB pro. 2014 Mr USA.

just a side note - personally I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say and he is very weak when it comes to the 'science' aspect of bodybuilding.. but I find his real life practical insights useful

I remember the name for sure. Thanks.

[Obs]

Just starting to watch it but cracked up at his line "Tren should only be run 4-6 weeks, maybe 7 if you're fat."

I been on tren since april.
I scoffed and said "what a dick". Lol

[BG]

Im trying to find some of the better reads from a few of whom I thought were the smartest guys we had here back in the days, but for now Ill just post their thoughts on best cycles.

Primo 200 mg ED
Winstrol 200 mg ED
Test-E 125 mg ED
Tren-E 100 mg ED

*shaves head.. and prepares to grow*

If money was not an option

Tren 200mg ED
Primo (GASP!!!!) 200mg ED
1-test 100mg ED
Masteron 100mg ED
Winny 100mg ED

As to your original question, that for which the thread was started, i believe in synergistic stacking: That which takes into account not only the 'different families' of AAS.. but also the individual's body composition/body type (somatotype); natural hormone levels; predispositions (for sides; gynaeco; MPB etc.)

For me, tho i will may again list my cycles online i will state however that, i run dht-based cycles: 1-2 dht-based compounds (because i respond better to DHT) + TRT + a majorly anabolic compound

...maybe a non-androgen-based anabolic as well

e.g.

Weeks 1-16 masteron (prop ester) 100 mg ED
Weeks 1-8; 9-16 Winstrol 100 mg ED
Weeks 1-10 test-prop 50 mg ED
Weeks 1-10 tren-ace 100 mg ED
Weeks 1-22** Insulin pwo 10 IUs

** Insulin use extends to PCT (insulin being the non-androgen-derived anabolic as mentioned above)

Narkissos

Ill try to find where they explained ratio's and importance of a dht when it came to cycling.

[MuscleScience]

Im trying to find some of the better reads from a few of whom I thought were the smartest guys we had here back in the days, but for now Ill just post their thoughts on best cycles.








Ill try to find where they explained ratio's and importance of a dht when it came to cycling.

Nark knew what he was doing, he still around the boards anywhere?

[BG]

Nark knew what he was doing, he still around the boards anywhere?

Havent seen him in a while I think last year he popped in quick. So smart guy regardless of the subject, used to love to here debate politics, life, anything....he and Anthony used to have some incredible conversations.

Anthony
Nark
Bajan
Merc

Super smart guys.

[MuscleScience]

Havent seen him in a while I think last year he popped in quick. So smart guy regardless of the subject, used to love to here debate politics, life, anything....he and Anthony used to have some incredible conversations.

Anthony
Nark
Bajan
Merc

Super smart guys.

Yes indeed, Nark was a good dude to just converse with. I use to visit his board a lot and give him and Booz something to talk about.

I remember the whole Anthony C thing like it was yesterday. Wonder what he’s up to now?

[Windex]

Some interesting points/ideas with a sprinkling of broscience.

It sounds like he hates Tren, would be curious as to why.

Always nice to hear pros talk about reasonable dosages. The misconception that every single pro is on these unfathomable dosages is so silly.

[charger69]

Just starting to watch it but cracked up at his line "Tren should only be run 4-6 weeks, maybe 7 if you're fat."

It got a laugh out of me too!


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[GearHeaded]

Some interesting points/ideas with a sprinkling of broscience.

It sounds like he hates Tren, would be curious as to why.

Always nice to hear pros talk about reasonable dosages. The misconception that every single pro is on these unfathomable dosages is so silly.

yeah I think he is coming across a little hypocritical there with the Tren comments .. guarantee you that all his male contest prep clients he has them running Tren.
I just don't think he likes it for the off season, or doesn't really see a valid off season use for it (I disagree).

[GearHeaded]

Just starting to watch it but cracked up at his line "Tren should only be run 4-6 weeks, maybe 7 if you're fat."

got a laugh out of that as well..

think he was picking shit with people who are in the middle of contest prep and they are not near as in shape say 8 weeks out as they need to be (ie, they are fat) , and so they are going to need to run Tren longer then someone who is in prep and is on schedule

[kelkel]

He's also on point about how joints feel when coming off low dose deca. I rarely come off low dose deca alongside my TRT but did recently and damn, it sucks.

[Obs]

He's also on point about how joints feel when coming off low dose deca. I rarely come off low dose deca alongside my TRT but did recently and damn, it sucks.

Ya. My hands seize and my elbows

[MuscleScience]

yeah I think he is coming across a little hypocritical there with the Tren comments .. guarantee you that all his male contest prep clients he has them running Tren.
I just don't think he likes it for the off season, or doesn't really see a valid off season use for it (I disagree).

After reading A LOT of the animal studies on Tren, i see no reason to ever not use it.

[charger69]

All you guys that don’t inject daily are just plain lazy. LOL
Although I jest, I am a firm believer of injecting daily even the long esthers.


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[Windex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFOwtg24QmU

Another pros thoughts on everything AAS. That video is part 5 but theres 1-4 on his channel as well. At the 2:23 mark he starts talking about Peptides/SARMS

[Windex]

He's also on point about how joints feel when coming off low dose deca. I rarely come off low dose deca alongside my TRT but did recently and damn, it sucks.

Canada doesn't offer Nandrolone anymore, trying to finagle my doctor for a script though since pharmacy can still order from USA. Something like $150ish for a 2ml 100mg/mL vial. RIP.

[GearHeaded]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFOwtg24QmU

Another pros thoughts on everything AAS. That video is part 5 but theres 1-4 on his channel as well. At the 2:23 mark he starts talking about Peptides/SARMS

doesn't get any more real then Seth Feroce ..

love the part when he is talking about roids and people accusing him of roid use and 'even HGH use' , and he responds "well duh you bunch of geniuses for figuring that one out , no shit, I'm 5'6 and 230 pounds, what did you expect'' (thats not a direct quote, think its in part 1 or 2.

[Windex]

All you guys that don’t inject daily are just plain lazy. LOL
Although I jest, I am a firm believer of injecting daily even the long esthers.


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Throw me in the lazy bucket haha I tried switching to ED and EOD for TRT (Test E) and got it over it after a few weeks. 3x per week is my limit for TRT+Tren Hex

[Chrisp83TRT]

this short video just goes to show that IFBB pros often times think quite differently about steroids and whats strong and whats weak, or whats a bulking drug or not, compared to your average gym rats and forum warriors.




and to think , some guys say that primo is super weak and EQ shouldn't even be a bodybuilding drug

Hey gear , do you think masterdon is just as effective as primo ?


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[Obs]

Hey gear , do you think masterdon is just as effective as primo ?


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Masterdon!

Lmfao I just pictured a hillbilly running from a mammoth!

"MASTERDON!" RUN LIKE HAYULL

[Chrisp83TRT]

Masterdon!

Lmfao I just pictured a hillbilly running from a mammoth!

"MASTERDON!" RUN LIKE HAYULL

Hahaha I’m half a sleep but I just pictured that hah


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[Chrisp83TRT]

Masteron *


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[GearHeaded]

Hey gear , do you think masterdon is just as effective as primo ?

everyone likes to compare Masteron and Primo, and theres a lot of online stuff referring to them as very similar compounds. BUT they are quite different and have varying uses. Masteron is an Awesome 'synergy' compound . it makes everything in almost any type of cycle work better.
say your running a bulk with Deca , masteron frees up more test by lowering SHBG and it also blunt the negative effects of estrogen AND blunts prolactin receptors (very needed with 19 nors). . say your running a cut with Tren. Masteron seems to lesson some of the negative effects of Tren (probably via its prolactin blunting effects), and adds to its androgenic prowess while also adding an Anabolic factor that is damn near that of test.
But , Masteron as a stand alone compound does not have near the power.
Primo on the other hand , is supposedly less 'strong' on paper. but its a compound I would confidentially run solo as my main work horse compound and know its going to do its job. its also especially good at keeping your super full even when on a calorie deficit and cutting . makes a great anti-catabolic for contest prep.

also,, even though most steriods sites list Mast and Primo as both being DHT derived.. when you look at the chemical structure of Primo, it appears to be derived from DHB , not Dht . thats a small but relevant difference

[charger69]

Masterdon!

Lmfao I just pictured a hillbilly running from a mammoth!

"MASTERDON!" RUN LIKE HAYULL

Are you the hillbilly?


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