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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    so you increased your testosterone by about 3x what your body was used to (ie, you increased your test by 260mg per week).
    no wonder you didn't see much.

    think about it. the average guy produces about 50mg of test per week naturally. a basic first cycle recommendation is 500mg of test per week. thats a 10x increase from what the guy was used to. and its these supra-physiological levels where AAS works its 'magic'.

    heck, if your body was used to 100mg of test per week for years. And you wanted to do a cycle equivalent to what most other guys 'first cycles' are , ie., a 10 times increase. then you'd of needed to run 1000mg of test per week (that would be equal to a natural jumping on his first cycle of 500mg of test per week)
    I'm just saying that to put it in perspective (I'm not recommending a gram of test). you didn't run near enough for a 'blast' from your normal TRT
    Little argue. I do not agree. 1 gs for him does not equal 500 for a nontrt guy.

    Good testlevel is 700. A little rule is to multiply mg with 7. Thats acetatester.
    Natty i guess acts as suspension. But stil. 50 grams hardly would give 700 ng/dl.

    I would say 500 mg test a week for him would be almost the same as for a trtguy cause trt is supposed to tax the ARs like the natty production.

    Just thinking loud..peace



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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's Dr.Silabolin View Post
    Little argue. I do not agree. 1 gs for him does not equal 500 for a nontrt guy.

    Good testlevel is 700. A little rule is to multiply mg with 7. Thats acetatester.
    Natty i guess acts as suspension. But stil. 50 grams hardly would give 700 ng/dl.
    I agree with you that 50mg would hardly give 700 ng/dl , IF we were talking exogenous test. but my reference of 50mg was to 'naturals' and endogenous test production (not exo test).. the average male naturally produces 4 to 7 mg of test per day. So a natural test production of 50mg per week is on the very high end of the scale, these are the guys that naturally produce high levels of test and are probably in the 700+ ng/dl range naturally.
    but why would 50mg of test give you such high ng/dl total test ? because its ENDOGENOUS test, which is 100% bio-available . 50mg of 'natty test' production is very high . where as say 100mg of test cyp per week, your only getting at the most 65mg of test from that.
    so the OP, injecting 100mg of exo test per week is putting himself about where a good natty endogenous test would be.

    I guess the point is, the OP is used to having decent levels of test being on TRT for so long. so when he runs a cycle he is going to need to run a high enough amount, especially considering someone who is natty and who's body is only used to much less test would still run a cycle of about 500mg of test per week as a first cycle.. OP really should be at least 500 minimum imo .

    personally though.. I'd be running 'other' compounds as my TRT blast cycles , not just simply upping the test dosage (your body is already used to exogenous test , upping it a bit won't do a whole lot).
    Last edited by GearHeaded; 10-24-2018 at 08:10 PM.

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