Bulking cycle advice?(test e/deca/tren/slin?)

[GearHeaded]

If i stopped taking insulin my body didn't have the same thermogenic response at all.

excellent !

this is something that can only be realized by people that actually have first hand experience.. lots of people want to talk down on insulin use and have false pictures about it , but when you use it for yourself for long periods, you learn a lot about how things "really" work .
too many guys think they know what they are talking about with insulin usage, but everything they have is from hear se or false rumors they heard about it from their favorite youtube 'expert'

[fiddlesticks]

excellent !

this is something that can only be realized by people that actually have first hand experience.. lots of people want to talk down on insulin use and have false pictures about it , but when you use it for yourself for long periods, you learn a lot about how things "really" work .
too many guys think they know what they are talking about with insulin usage, but everything they have is from hear se or false rumors they heard about it from their favorite youtube 'expert'

Im just surprised most people don't understand or realize insulin inherently BURNS fat. Taking 10 iu of insulin is pretty much the same as eating 10 chocolate cakes to your body in terms of how much energy it is willing to get rid of. For people who take insulin and train at all they should be super thermogenic. I am tempted to say my training in conjunction with insulin may have been the factor that told my body to use fat but I don't think that is true due to points I discuss now:

I have never lost fat quickly as when I ate peanut butter, skim milk (calcium is a MASSIVE fat burner) and took about 50iu insulin, for carbs I drank soda pop, I was literally eating peanut butter to the point it made me vomit almost, a minimum of 1 7000 calorie jar a day. I was basically molten 24/7.. I was taking 50mcg T3 as well but T3 for me doesn't stimulate metabolism very much by itself but is very synergistic with other thermogenic things like calcium. In reverse now, any time I cut insulin and eat at a deficit, usually I end up with nearly the same amount of fat and being 20lbs less. Not cool.

Gearhead is damn right about people who have not used insulin alot don't fully understand its effects, they are very, very complex, it is without a doubt the most powerful and important tool for the professionals. Them getting a salary is extremely dependant on this hormone.

I don't want to say they would be nothing without it, but insulin changed pro bodybuilding more than steroids did, its extremely dramatic. There are medical studies showing insulin increases dopamine and opiate activity to massive degrees... When you realize you are making your insulin level at least 100 times higher than normal, the neurological pathways insulin modulates will be a little more active to say the least.it would not be neurologically possible to train like ronnie coleman without this hormone, notice how as soon as he stopped taking the large ped dosages he can't walk? I hypothesize the damage was done long before he came off and the drugs may have nullified the pain.

[GearHeaded]

I don't want to say they would be nothing without it, but insulin changed pro bodybuilding more than steroids did, its extremely dramatic..

steroid using 7 x mr Olympia - non insulin user


steroid using 8 x. mr Olympia - insulin user (open about his use)


yeah I'd say there is a pretty dramatic difference here

[fiddlesticks]

steroid using 7 x mr Olympia - non insulin user


steroid using 8 x. mr Olympia - insulin user (open about his use)


yeah I'd say there is a pretty dramatic difference here

Basically to be superhuman muscle mass wise, insulin is required while steroids alone will accelerate potential natural limit.

To add to the fat loss potential of insulin: the combo I used of capsaicin topically and insulin was massively effective at stimulating thermogenic effect and speeding insulin absorbtion. Topically capsaicin (literally hot sauce) is very effective at creating subq blood flow, using it on an insulin injection site would in theory speed up the process and simultaneously block any "insulin fat gain effects" while strongly stimulating lipolisys. Capsaicin also has potent igf stimulating activity directly and probably is extremely effective at creating blood volume (epo). There is also a potent opiod effect of capsaicin and it definitely let me do more reps than usual, again with the synergies, insulin itself apparently has opiod activity. Capsaicin would also help painful injections quite a lot.


, albuterol, T3 and capsaicin basically guarantee you will have massive lipolisys 247 no matter what the circumstance is, they all synergize extremely well and T3 by itself overpowers any innate "insulin fat storage" activity. Perhaps insulin is lipogenic in nature but is overruled by thyroid hormone activity which is confusing because it stimulates thyroid activity.

In my experience which is very contrast to what most people say is insulin plus excessive fat intake results in strong subq and visceral fat loss, I will investigate any interactions between the two. I did read one study that indicated insulin is unable to store fat during large fat/overfeeding activity, I think that's pretty much right on the dot...

Theory time , let's assume high fat inhibits insulin lipogenic activity, so we are left with insulin raising metabolic hormones ( ft3 leptin b receptor density) and a surplus of calories which need be burned off. T3 , albuterol tren etc lower the amount of fat required for that fat blocking effect while stimulating lipolisys directly. Overall result due to the extra drugs stimulating metabolism further than insulin would alone is a net loss of energy. This also could explain fat gain when limiting fat and minimum carbs on insulin (and not using t3).

Sorry to the poor guy who started the thread and now I'm over here talking about fucking hot sauce.

[kelkel]

Sorry to the poor guy who started the thread and now I'm over here talking about fucking hot sauce.

Negative. Fascinating knowledge emparted here. It's what makes this place work.

[fiddlesticks]

Negative. Fascinating knowledge emparted here. It's what makes this place work.

I mean if you don't mind an extremely painful experience putting capsaicin on injection spots is fucking marvelous at speeding absorption.

[ksingh93]

excellent !


too many guys think they know what they are talking about with insulin usage, but everything they have is from hear se or false rumors they heard about it from their favorite youtube 'expert'

i have used every type of insulin on market not for long periods though
humalog used post workout no more then 10 iu combined with hgh doesnt make me fat but
humilin r makes me blow up like a waterbaloon and i start storing visceral fat.
lantus do work for me but i still have to use hgh with low dose of t3 from keep getting fat .

i just dont say stuff that i read .i use it myself see the results and then recommend.

[GearHeaded]

humilin r makes me blow up like a waterbaloon and i start storing visceral fat.
lantus do work for me but i still have to use hgh with low dose of t3 from keep getting fat ..

have you ever tried running insulin WITHOUT changing your diet and taking in extra carbs (or certain types of carbs) to account for the insulin dosage ?

just because you run insulin does not mean your carbs have to go up. thats the number one mistake people make when running slin and ending up getting fat .. its because instead of sticking with their diet plan , they add a bunch of crap to add to their insulin usage/dosages (eg, 10iu of slin means 100g of more junk carbs).
you don't have to change your diet just to make up for your slin usage, you can make your slin usage line up perfectly with your diet.

my post on how not to get fat while using insulin
https://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3...g-insulin.html