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    When was blood work pulled relative to your last injection?

    Way to much HCG and AI. A normal HCG protocol would be app 250 iu's x 2-3 per week, which is sufficient to maintain fertility. Excessive HCG can and will bump up both T and E. Drop both your test and AI back. That amount of AI is more than what's recommended for guys running a 500 mg test cycle, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    When was blood work pulled relative to your last injection?

    Way to much HCG and AI. A normal HCG protocol would be app 250 iu's x 2-3 per week, which is sufficient to maintain fertility. Excessive HCG can and will bump up both T and E. Drop both your test and AI back. That amount of AI is more than what's recommended for guys running a 500 mg test cycle, for example.
    I had been splitting my weekly dose into two. So my last injection was about 70mg Tuesday night and I went in for my blood work Friday afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razman View Post
    I had been splitting my weekly dose into two. So my last injection was about 70mg Tuesday night and I went in for my blood work Friday afternoon.

    Ok. I'd consider dropping back to 50 x 2 then.
    Drop your AI to .25 each day of injection.
    Drop your HCG to 250 x 2 or 3
    Reevaluate after 4-6 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Ok. I'd consider dropping back to 50 x 2 then.
    Drop your AI to .25 each day of injection.
    Drop your HCG to 250 x 2 or 3
    Reevaluate after 4-6 weeks.
    Awesome, thanks for the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Ok. I'd consider dropping back to 50 x 2 then.
    Drop your AI to .25 each day of injection.
    Drop your HCG to 250 x 2 or 3
    Reevaluate after 4-6 weeks.
    Good advice. Not much more to add except watch the E2. I find at the protocol Kel describes that even 0.25 mg anastrozole is a bit much for me. If that's the case, check out the link somewhere in the sticky "Best Practices". That link will take you to another post where I describe an eye dropper method that can more accurately dispense smaller amounts.

    Also, per several of my more recent posts, consider adding DHT to your standard tests. I'm beginning to think guys should be considering the use of finasteride in their protocols to control DHT. There's very good evidence that it's DHT and not T that causes excessive erythropoiesis with TRT. When you keep DHT in the normal range, your hemoglobin should also stay within range. Keep in mind per my recent experience that a little finasteride goes a long way toward lowering DHT. By my estimates (I'm just starting use myself) I'll need about 0.5 to 0.75 mg per week in divided daily doses to lower my high DHT to within range while on a similar TRT protocol to what you will be migrating to. This is till a work in progress for me. Also, very importantly, you cannot donate blood while on finasteride. You must stick with the required 4-week withdrawal period before donating. It's highly teratogenic to developing male fetuses. You don't want to be responsible for giving the next generation micro penises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youthful55guy View Post
    Good advice. Not much more to add except watch the E2. I find at the protocol Kel describes that even 0.25 mg anastrozole is a bit much for me. If that's the case, check out the link somewhere in the sticky "Best Practices". That link will take you to another post where I describe an eye dropper method that can more accurately dispense smaller amounts.

    Also, per several of my more recent posts, consider adding DHT to your standard tests. I'm beginning to think guys should be considering the use of finasteride in their protocols to control DHT. There's very good evidence that it's DHT and not T that causes excessive erythropoiesis with TRT. When you keep DHT in the normal range, your hemoglobin should also stay within range. Keep in mind per my recent experience that a little finasteride goes a long way toward lowering DHT. By my estimates (I'm just starting use myself) I'll need about 0.5 to 0.75 mg per week in divided daily doses to lower my high DHT to within range while on a similar TRT protocol to what you will be migrating to. This is till a work in progress for me. Also, very importantly, you cannot donate blood while on finasteride. You must stick with the required 4-week withdrawal period before donating. It's highly teratogenic to developing male fetuses. You don't want to be responsible for giving the next generation micro penises.
    My thinking was that on the exhorbitant daily dosing of the AI on his current protocol he's in range. Dropping back on T and HCG is obviously going to help but I'm still a little concerned due to his claim of being overweight.
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