creatin plus juice or over kill?

[Quester]

Creatine supplementation causes a false positive reading of elevated creatinine levels on blood work.. this false positive originally lead people to think that Creatine caused kidney stress. it doesn't.. the elevated creatnine levels are simply from supplementation and not from the kidneys.

however, if your consuming a super high red meat diet and your creatnine and kidney values were high, then this may very well be due to kidney stress.

so theoretically, eating a bit less red meat , and supplementing with actual creatine instead is likely healthier for the kidneys.

^ having said that.. I'm a big fan of diets relatively high in red meat, as that is the most healthy nutrient dense form of protein we have. I was just making a point that creatine itself is not stressful on the kidney, it just throws a false positive on blood work.


supplementing with creatine is pretty beneficial , as it ultimately results in the production of ATP, and there is no strength or muscle building without ATP.
also, with AAS usage your body has the ability to upregulate CP and store more creatine. so 5g a day supplementation isn't a bad idea

Creatinine is measured in 2 different tests: 1) Serum creatinine and 2) Creatinine clearance test.
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1)Serum (blood level) is an indication of protein breakdown. This can be ingested protein or the breakdown of one's own body tissue.
2) Creatnine Clearance test (urine): This is a 24-hr urine sample that gives an insight into glomerular filtration rate (GFR) which is how efficiently the kidneys remove waste from the blood.
The tests measure creatinine as an indicator of kidney function not because creatinine is detrimental but because it is a known value that is easy to test.
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All things being equal, creatnine doesn't stress the kidneys anymore than anything else does. However, many people have suffered kidney damage while taking creatnine due to dehydration. Dehydration is the most damaging thing one can due to the kidneys.
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The best time to take creatinine is immediately post workout.
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Red meat has the highest concentration and, generally, as the meats become "healthier" (cholesterol wise) they contain less creatinine. Not everyone needs creatinine. It is a performance enhancer if one is low. If one is not low, then it is just like oral B vitamins, unnecessary and un-impactful.
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Creatinine increases DHT.

[kelkel]

Creatinine increases DHT.

Which is why I don't take it anymore.

[GearHeaded]

Creatinine increases DHT.

any idea to what degree ?

I mean a lot of things that I'm a fan of like test, primo, Winstol, var, etc.. all can increase DHT. is adding creatine just throwing a little more sand on the beach , or is it making a real significant difference