Use or abuse?

[charger69]

I sort of agree. I agree that you should try and keep things normal. However not taking anything to control it does not mean you need to stop.
I have found as I get older, I need to take more and more things to try keeping things “normal”.
Cholesterol, blood pressure, hematocrit, etc. are things that I monitor. Liver assistance is also in there.
I look at anything above 140/ 80 as needing to be controlled. I will push things because I compete, but I still try to be healthy as possible.
I tried 900 of tren and felt like the walking dead. After 2 weeks, I felt that it was counter productive.


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[bethdoth]

I sort of agree. I agree that you should try and keep things normal. However not taking anything to control it does not mean you need to stop.
I have found as I get older, I need to take more and more things to try keeping things “normal”.
Cholesterol, blood pressure, hematocrit, etc. are things that I monitor. Liver assistance is also in there.
I look at anything above 140/ 80 as needing to be controlled. I will push things because I compete, but I still try to be healthy as possible.
I tried 900 of tren and felt like the walking dead. After 2 weeks, I felt that it was counter productive.


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Wow Charger, I didn't think you would have this opinion, I would have thought you would error on the side of caution! I was real close to 8 weeks on cycle anyway and there is always another time. Like you said you compete, I am just a vane ... attention getting ... muscle head! LOL At 57 with my current build I am good to go. I have recently been a bit conflicted on which direction to go anyway, get bigger or get smaller. I have put on a few pounds of muscle since January 3rd so now it's time to do it the right way, proper diet and HIIT fasted in the AM to cut body fat. If I can reach 12% Body fat I will probably look bigger.

I know last week I felt like shit everywhere except in the gym. Saturday morning I got out of bed at 4AM and went to the living-room and sat in my chair, I just could not lay down. When laying down I felt like I was not getting enough oxygen and having a hard time taking a deep breathe, kinda scary. I felt really good when I woke up this morning!

Managing the sides is important, but also knowing your limit is important and I found mine! No 500mg a week tren and if I do push it back up into say 350 range it will be Ace not E. But I think I will do more research to see if a different stack might meet my needs. I cycle twice a year just to maintain/build a few pounds of muscle and to keep BF low. Maybe try Scotch's suggestion this summer or fall.

[Obs]

Wow Charger, I didn't think you would have this opinion, I would have thought you would error on the side of caution! I was real close to 8 weeks on cycle anyway and there is always another time. Like you said you compete, I am just a vane ... attention getting ... muscle head! LOL At 57 with my current build I am good to go. I have recently been a bit conflicted on which direction to go anyway, get bigger or get smaller. I have put on a few pounds of muscle since January 3rd so now it's time to do it the right way, proper diet and HIIT fasted in the AM to cut body fat. If I can reach 12% Body fat I will probably look bigger.

I know last week I felt like shit everywhere except in the gym. Saturday morning I got out of bed at 4AM and went to the living-room and sat in my chair, I just could not lay down. When laying down I felt like I was not getting enough oxygen and having a hard time taking a deep breathe, kinda scary. I felt really good when I woke up this morning!

Managing the sides is important, but also knowing your limit is important and I found mine! No 500mg a week tren and if I do push it back up into say 350 range it will be Ace not E. But I think I will do more research to see if a different stack might meet my needs. I cycle twice a year just to maintain/build a few pounds of muscle and to keep BF low. Maybe try Scotch's suggestion this summer or fall.

Secret about charger...

I have been whispering in his ear from his left shoulder for years.
He is running with the devil now.

[Obs]

Mediocre things come to those who wait.
Patience is a virtue of the average.
Reality is a crutch for people that cant handle drugs.

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[charger69]

Wow Charger, I didn't think you would have this opinion, I would have thought you would error on the side of caution! I was real close to 8 weeks on cycle anyway and there is always another time. Like you said you compete, I am just a vane ... attention getting ... muscle head! LOL At 57 with my current build I am good to go. I have recently been a bit conflicted on which direction to go anyway, get bigger or get smaller. I have put on a few pounds of muscle since January 3rd so now it's time to do it the right way, proper diet and HIIT fasted in the AM to cut body fat. If I can reach 12% Body fat I will probably look bigger.

I know last week I felt like shit everywhere except in the gym. Saturday morning I got out of bed at 4AM and went to the living-room and sat in my chair, I just could not lay down. When laying down I felt like I was not getting enough oxygen and having a hard time taking a deep breathe, kinda scary. I felt really good when I woke up this morning!

Managing the sides is important, but also knowing your limit is important and I found mine! No 500mg a week tren and if I do push it back up into say 350 range it will be Ace not E. But I think I will do more research to see if a different stack might meet my needs. I cycle twice a year just to maintain/build a few pounds of muscle and to keep BF low. Maybe try Scotch's suggestion this summer or fall.

I didn’t used to.. you must use an AI, time off=time on+PCT, etc.
I lived by that and learned that I can barely fit in a bulk cycle . One bulk a year won’t get you anywhere competing. Actually, Scotch made me realize that competitors can’t live by that.
I am not haphazard with my cycling and I monitor bloods and overall health.
Yes- Obs has played a role in delivering me to the devil. LOL
Actually, Obs gives some pretty sound advice.... he just doesn’t follow it. LOL


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[Obs]

I didn’t used to.. you must use an AI, time off=time on+PCT, etc.
I lived by that and learned that I can barely fit in a bulk cycle . One bulk a year won’t get you anywhere competing. Actually, Scotch made me realize that competitors can’t live by that.
I am not haphazard with my cycling and I monitor bloods and overall health.
Yes- Obs has played a role in delivering me to the devil. LOL
Actually, Obs gives some pretty sound advice.... he just doesn’t follow it. LOL


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Awww shiiit....
I just got off...
Its like he lit candles at the pentogram!