Test/Deca/Winstol Athletic/lean suggestions

[GearHeaded]

I'll just add that the idea that you need to get to lower amounts of body fat (14% or less, which is fairly ripped) BEFORE starting a cycle is utter bullshit. you see this spouted and parroted on forums all the time (prob by guys that don't follow their own advice and have probably never been under 14% bf their whole life yet continue to cycle aas). you do NOT need to get lean before running AAS. proper diet, training, and AAS use are going to help you get to under 14% bf.. heck if you could get there naturally first (like was suggested), you probably wouldn't be on this forum asking for AAS advice in the first place

[HDThunder]

I'll just add that the idea that you need to get to lower amounts of body fat (14% or less, which is fairly ripped) BEFORE starting a cycle is utter bullshit. you see this spouted and parroted on forums all the time (prob by guys that don't follow their own advice and have probably never been under 14% bf their whole life yet continue to cycle aas). you do NOT need to get lean before running AAS. proper diet, training, and AAS use are going to help you get to under 14% bf.. heck if you could get there naturally first (like was suggested), you probably wouldn't be on this forum asking for AAS advice in the first place

Totally agree. It's utter bullshit. If i'm say 20% or over BF i should try to diet down natty and lose muscle so I can start a cycle? That's stupid!

I'm speaking from experience. When I got back into the gym last January I was definitely 20% BF or over. I never would have had the drive, determination, energy or recovery capabilities to do it without AAS. I'd have failed. A year later I've made gains I never thought possible.

[Windex]

I'll just add that the idea that you need to get to lower amounts of body fat (14% or less, which is fairly ripped) BEFORE starting a cycle is utter bullshit. you see this spouted and parroted on forums all the time (prob by guys that don't follow their own advice and have probably never been under 14% bf their whole life yet continue to cycle aas). you do NOT need to get lean before running AAS. proper diet, training, and AAS use are going to help you get to under 14% bf.. heck if you could get there naturally first (like was suggested), you probably wouldn't be on this forum asking for AAS advice in the first place

While I understand this perspective, my philosophy is someone who cannot lose fat naturally is not going to be further ahead with gear.

I'm not saying a person neees to be able to grate cheese off their rock hard 6pack before using gear, but there should people some semblance of effort put into nutrition beforehand. Many times people asking for advice leave out a lot of information.