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    has anyone ever wondered why women can run twice the dosages of T3 then men can while in a calorie deficit and not lose muscle while men run half the dosage and end up losing lots of size while cutting.. the reason is likely due to estrogen. women have naturally much higher E then men, and men often times do stupid shit when they are cutting like run a crap ton of AI's and anti estrogens, or don't take any test. so their estrogen levels plummet , and so does their ability to retain muscle along with it.. Estrogen has many anabolic properties that help you retain muscle mass, like IGF production.

    stripping your body of estrogen , while in a calorie deficit and cutting is not a good idea (unless your trying to lose muscle) . by not running testosterone, your not going to give you body the ability to produce estrogen.. your going to lose muscle. on top of it your running two compounds , masteron and primo, that also have anti estrogen effects. your estrogen is going to go to crap and so will your physique. estrogen not only plays a role in muscle retention, hgh and igf. production, healthy cholesterol levels , BUT also in fat burning as well as glycogen retention (lots of contest bodybuilders make the mistake of running too much AI and lowering their estrogen too much for a bodybuilding show, and then they end up not being able to carb load and they end up flat on stage).

    I could go on . but the point is , YES run some Test with this cycle , if for the only reason that you can at least get some estrogen conversion out of it . your going to need it.

    heck you could even run Dbol and be better off. cause at least you'll get some much needed estrogen conversion.

    Arnold used to prep for bodybuilding shows running Primo and Dbol (no test).. I believe the Dbol gave him the needed amounts of estrogen so he was able to retain muscle mass and fullness while cutting .
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    has anyone ever wondered why women can run twice the dosages of T3 then men can while in a calorie deficit and not lose muscle while men run half the dosage and end up losing lots of size while cutting.. the reason is likely due to estrogen. women have naturally much higher E then men, and men often times do stupid shit when they are cutting like run a crap ton of AI's and anti estrogens, or don't take any test. so their estrogen levels plummet , and so does their ability to retain muscle along with it.. Estrogen has many anabolic properties that help you retain muscle mass, like IGF production.

    stripping your body of estrogen , while in a calorie deficit and cutting is not a good idea (unless your trying to lose muscle) . by not running testosterone, your not going to give you body the ability to produce estrogen.. your going to lose muscle. on top of it your running two compounds , masteron and primo, that also have anti estrogen effects. your estrogen is going to go to crap and so will your physique. estrogen not only plays a role in muscle retention, hgh and igf. production, healthy cholesterol levels , BUT also in fat burning as well as glycogen retention (lots of contest bodybuilders make the mistake of running too much AI and lowering their estrogen too much for a bodybuilding show, and then they end up not being able to carb load and they end up flat on stage).

    I could go on . but the point is , YES run some Test with this cycle , if for the only reason that you can at least get some estrogen conversion out of it . your going to need it.

    heck you could even run Dbol and be better off. cause at least you'll get some much needed estrogen conversion.

    Arnold used to prep for bodybuilding shows running Primo and Dbol (no test).. I believe the Dbol gave him the needed amounts of estrogen so he was able to retain muscle mass and fullness while cutting .
    Question related to this post.

    Say I run test to keep my level right at 940ng.

    I add mast and primo to this at 400 per week each. .125mg Adex EOD puts my estrogen at 19ng. Will I even need any ai on trt test and 400ng each of primo n mast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Question related to this post.

    Say I run test to keep my level right at 940ng.

    I add mast and primo to this at 400 per week each. .125mg Adex EOD puts my estrogen at 19ng. Will I even need any ai on trt test and 400ng each of primo n mast?
    everyone is going to be different in regards to how these two compounds effect your E levels .. I personally haven't bothered checking (as many of you know I stopped paying extra $ to check estrogen levels on blood work years ago).

    but I do know a guy that had his TRT really dialed in well (he goes in for blood work monthly) and was on the same protocol for about 6 months. Then he ran 500mg of Primo (kept his TRT the same protocol) and his E2 went way down (off the top my head he went from 30s to the mid teens).
    also with Masteron, keep in mind that it also has anti estrogen effects at the receptor level. so even if your serum E levels don't go down much on blood work, the estrogen is still not doing as much at the receptors themselves (think of it kinda like running a SERM)

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