4 week PCT vs 8+ week PCT?

[GearHeaded]

the reason for Nolva and Clomid together is that even though they are both SERMs they work through different mechanisms of action. Keep in mind that estrogen plays a huge role in the HPTA and the signaling of the pituitary. if estrogen is high your brain/body will have no reason to stimulate testosterone production.
the simplest way to think about it is that the Nolva works by blocking estrogen at receptor sites and the clomid stimulates the pituitary to produce LH (both then indirectly promote natural test production).
If you go into your pct with low levels of estrogen (you can run an AI at the end of your cycle) your natty test production will likely come back sooner. As estrogen is a vital hormone and the only way your body can get it is by producing test.

running an AI at the tail end of the cycle, then blasting HCG for 2 weeks, then running the combo of Nolva and Clomid together,, is going assure that all 'boxes have been checked off' and you've covered all your basis.
sure you could forget all that and just run clomid. or you could just not bother with PCT at all and you'll likely recover just fine. but if you want to restart your HPTA as fast and stout as possible, the above is how I would do it.


having said all that - I'm not a fan of PCT after each cycle for anyone that is serious about bodybuilding. your better off staying on 9-10 months out of the year and doing a once per year PCT or just staying on and TRT

[templeofgainz]

Thanks for the response. Not serious about bodybuilding, although I'm open to focusing on it in the future recreationally. Currently training for powerlifting. My main goal is maximal overall strength while maintaining a reasonable level of health and a good physique for life, not the stage.

My first cycle is off in the future anyways, just trying to research as much as possible and fill in the blanks where its not so clear.

[5millionbucks]

the reason for Nolva and Clomid together is that even though they are both SERMs they work through different mechanisms of action. Keep in mind that estrogen plays a huge role in the HPTA and the signaling of the pituitary. if estrogen is high your brain/body will have no reason to stimulate testosterone production.
the simplest way to think about it is that the Nolva works by blocking estrogen at receptor sites and the clomid stimulates the pituitary to produce LH (both then indirectly promote natural test production).
If you go into your pct with low levels of estrogen (you can run an AI at the end of your cycle) your natty test production will likely come back sooner. As estrogen is a vital hormone and the only way your body can get it is by producing test.

running an AI at the tail end of the cycle, then blasting HCG for 2 weeks, then running the combo of Nolva and Clomid together,, is going assure that all 'boxes have been checked off' and you've covered all your basis.
sure you could forget all that and just run clomid. or you could just not bother with PCT at all and you'll likely recover just fine. but if you want to restart your HPTA as fast and stout as possible, the above is how I would do it.


having said all that - I'm not a fan of PCT after each cycle for anyone that is serious about bodybuilding. your better off staying on 9-10 months out of the year and doing a once per year PCT or just staying on and TRT

Would you say this about even for a beginner. And say you did blast and cruise for 9months out of the year. Wouldn't taking 3 months off not be enough to recover or even have enough time to desensitze from the gear use?

[gunsonwheels00]

I've been running only clomid for 6 weeks, but I'm going to try running both now and see if I have less of a "crash" coming off cycle. Thanks for the info!!