Test Suspension Shutdown??

[Family_guy]

How much at once?

The last time I did it I did 120mg

[GearHeaded]

The last time I did it I did 120mg

if I remember correctly your messing around with some insulin as well .. try running 200mg of Test suspension pre workout with 10iu slin pre and 15iu post. add 20mg of Dbol as a cherry on top.. do that for about 4-5 days in a row (with proper intra workout nutrition). in a week let me know if your about 7 pounds heavier and getting massive skin splitting pumps and recovering really well

[Family_guy]

if I remember correctly your messing around with some insulin as well .. try running 200mg of Test suspension pre workout with 10iu slin pre and 15iu post. add 20mg of Dbol as a cherry on top.. do that for about 4-5 days in a row (with proper intra workout nutrition). in a week let me know if your about 7 pounds heavier and getting massive skin splitting pumps and recovering really well

I am still doing some experimenting with insulin. Honestly not consistently enough to. Make a difference in sure. I am always interested In the experiment part of all this! Maybe next cycle I will do a real insulin protocol. I will definitely add in some dbol

[HoldMyBeer]

I am still doing some experimenting with insulin. Honestly not consistently enough to. Make a difference in sure. I am always interested In the experiment part of all this! Maybe next cycle I will do a real insulin protocol. I will definitely add in some dbol

I have always heard "insulin is more anabolic than testosterone"
But Dave Crossland, who became monstrously big, said it's not necessary and he never used it
Fuad abiad (spelling?) never uses it, hates it, and says it's unnecessary.
I've also heard a bunch of very qualified coaches say it as well. I am starting to wonder if it just makes you're muscle look bigger because it drives in more glycogen temporarily and helps you recover faster. And if your recovery is already good it doesn't make a difference

[GearHeaded]

I have always heard "insulin is more anabolic than testosterone"
But Dave Crossland, who became monstrously big, said it's not necessary and he never used it
Fuad abiad (spelling?) never uses it, hates it, and says it's unnecessary.
I've also heard a bunch of very qualified coaches say it as well. I am starting to wonder if it just makes you're muscle look bigger because it drives in more glycogen temporarily and helps you recover faster. And if your recovery is already good it doesn't make a difference

theres a big difference between someone like Dave Crossland who became huge, but also 40% body fat and zero aesthetics WIHOUT using insulin ,, and someone like Ronnie Coleman who became 315 pounds and huge at 6% body fat with great aesthetics WITH insulin . Ronnie was an avid hgh and insulin user (his coach was Chad Nichols who is a big proponent of slin use),, Ronnies was 230 ponds and placing last place and shows before he started his slin protocol.
again, to get huge and grossly fat at the same time like Dave Crossland, insulin is not necessary. just lots of junk food. you do know there are women out there that are way bigger then Dave Crossland and they don't take AAS or insulin . just 15,000 cals of mcdonalds every day. this shows that getting huge that drugs aren't necessary (plenty of 400+ pound all natty women out there)

another person Ronnies coach helped come up and become another 330+ pound bodybuilder and lean (at a super young age of 25) with insulin use ,, Dallas McCarver (rip).
Insulin became rampant in high level NPC and IFBB in the mid 90s and since then we've got more and more jacked lean and huge bodybuilders.

I would guess that 85% of high level bodybuilders use slin or have used it to help put on quality size.

however some guys like Fouad Abiad have had some success as a pro and don't use ,, now Fouad has used it in the past. he choses not to use it because of the way it makes him feel,, he says it makes him lethargic. which is common with an insulin spike and carbs to most people. he was using pre workout (per his coach at the time). he didn't want to train feeling lethargic. he probably would of had better luck running it late in the day with his last couple meals instead of just pre workout.

Insulin can be a game changer for a lot of guys . heck look at at our very own member here Charger. 2 years ago he was 180 pounds. I helped him set up his first insulin protocol and he's been running it ever since and now he is a lean 230+ pounds and has 3 first place show finishes under his belt this year.


insulin is very anabolic. everyone talks about protein and amino acids and quality nutrients are needed to be anabolic and build muscle . well how the heck you think those amino acids, water, creatine, etc. get into the muscle cell in the first place . INSULIN . its the key that opens the cells and transports the nurtrients (most these nutrients catch a ride with glucose being put into muscle cells as glycogen.. insulin is the driver of this).

without any insulin at all (wither exogenous on endogenous) you would shrivel up and die. nobody can get big without insulin. natty or not.. even natural lifters who get big , these guys are likely still producing a shit ton of natty insulin in order to drive all these proteins and nutrients into muscle cells.

insulin has other indirect anabolic properties . it blunts/supresses cortisol (a catabolic hormone), it also promotes the production of hepatic IGF output (IGF being another very anabolic hormone).


is exogenous insulin use necessary ? no . but it can be a game changer .. sure Arnold did not use it. but still insuliin played a role in the development of his physique through his diet . the reason insulin is not "necessary" per se is because we can produce up to 100+ iu per day of our own insulin through diet manipulation . so insulin no matter what in one way or another still plays a role.
however exogenous insulin will just amplify this and allow you to fine tune things and have super compensation effects and drive even more nutrients.


note - and insulin can be more anabolic then testosterone . look at women who lift (and don't use test) who put on quality muscle tissue with very little to no natty test . they just have estrogen and insulin to build muscle. Yes again they have to have some amount of insulin to build muscle,, wither natty production of it, or if they were diabetic then exogenous production. Women can produce 100+iu of insulin per day and build plenty of muscle , yet can't produce shit for Testosterone .
shows which one is actually more anabolic. take away test and only leave estrogen and insulin and some women can get pretty jacked. now take a male who has 10x the amount of test as the women, but who also has low estrogen and is diabetic (and not taking his insulin and not producing any) and he likely won't put on any muscle (in fact he'll likely die) . the test by itself isn't powerful enough to do shit for him

^ however having said that .. the combination of high Test (androgens) with high estrogen plus Insulin , all together , can build a lot more muscle due to super compensation and synergy effects

[Family_guy]

theres a big difference between someone like Dave Crossland who became huge, but also 40% body fat and zero aesthetics WIHOUT using insulin ,, and someone like Ronnie Coleman who became 315 pounds and huge at 6% body fat with great aesthetics WITH insulin . Ronnie was an avid hgh and insulin user (his coach was Chad Nichols who is a big proponent of slin use),, Ronnies was 230 ponds and placing last place and shows before he started his slin protocol.
again, to get huge and grossly fat at the same time like Dave Crossland, insulin is not necessary. just lots of junk food. you do know there are women out there that are way bigger then Dave Crossland and they don't take AAS or insulin . just 15,000 cals of mcdonalds every day. this shows that getting huge that drugs aren't necessary (plenty of 400+ pound all natty women out there)

another person Ronnies coach helped come up and become another 330+ pound bodybuilder and lean (at a super young age of 25) with insulin use ,, Dallas McCarver (rip).
Insulin became rampant in high level NPC and IFBB in the mid 90s and since then we've got more and more jacked lean and huge bodybuilders.

I would guess that 85% of high level bodybuilders use slin or have used it to help put on quality size.

however some guys like Fouad Abiad have had some success as a pro and don't use ,, now Fouad has used it in the past. he choses not to use it because of the way it makes him feel,, he says it makes him lethargic. which is common with an insulin spike and carbs to most people. he was using pre workout (per his coach at the time). he didn't want to train feeling lethargic. he probably would of had better luck running it late in the day with his last couple meals instead of just pre workout.

Insulin can be a game changer for a lot of guys . heck look at at our very own member here Charger. 2 years ago he was 180 pounds. I helped him set up his first insulin protocol and he's been running it ever since and now he is a lean 230+ pounds and has 3 first place show finishes under his belt this year.


insulin is very anabolic. everyone talks about protein and amino acids and quality nutrients are needed to be anabolic and build muscle . well how the heck you think those amino acids, water, creatine, etc. get into the muscle cell in the first place . INSULIN . its the key that opens the cells and transports the nurtrients (most these nutrients catch a ride with glucose being put into muscle cells as glycogen.. insulin is the driver of this).

without any insulin at all (wither exogenous on endogenous) you would shrivel up and die. nobody can get big without insulin. natty or not.. even natural lifters who get big , these guys are likely still producing a shit ton of natty insulin in order to drive all these proteins and nutrients into muscle cells.

insulin has other indirect anabolic properties . it blunts/supresses cortisol (a catabolic hormone), it also promotes the production of hepatic IGF output (IGF being another very anabolic hormone).


is exogenous insulin use necessary ? no . but it can be a game changer .. sure Arnold did not use it. but still insuliin played a role in the development of his physique through his diet . the reason insulin is not "necessary" per se is because we can produce up to 100+ iu per day of our own insulin through diet manipulation . so insulin no matter what in one way or another still plays a role.
however exogenous insulin will just amplify this and allow you to fine tune things and have super compensation effects and drive even more nutrients.


note - and insulin can be more anabolic then testosterone . look at women who lift (and don't use test) who put on quality muscle tissue with very little to no natty test . they just have estrogen and insulin to build muscle. Yes again they have to have some amount of insulin to build muscle,, wither natty production of it, or if they were diabetic then exogenous production. Women can produce 100+iu of insulin per day and build plenty of muscle , yet can't produce shit for Testosterone .
shows which one is actually more anabolic. take away test and only leave estrogen and insulin and some women can get pretty jacked. now take a male who has 10x the amount of test as the women, but who also has low estrogen and is diabetic (and not taking his insulin and not producing any) and he likely won't put on any muscle (in fact he'll likely die) . the test by itself isn't powerful enough to do shit for him

^ however having said that .. the combination of high Test (androgens) with high estrogen plus Insulin , all together , can build a lot more muscle due to super compensation and synergy effects

I really like that example of women building muscle without test!!

[GearHeaded]

I really like that example of women building muscle without test!!

of course they would build more muscle with a combo of - Insulin, Estrogen, and Androgens .. but it goes to show the power of just Insulin itself and estrogen itself. plenty of jacked women out there that don't rely on test or androgens. and they probably look way better then any man that has all the testosterone in the world but has zero estrogen or insulin