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    Quote Originally Posted by bethdoth View Post
    Well now would be a good time to test this since I ran out 2 days ago and have not received my order yet. I could save it for cycles.
    I've been on HRT for almost a decade. I blindly followed the cookie cutter Mon/Thurs injection routine for my Test. I switched to MWF (only one extra injection per week) and it's a substantial difference. Whether someone wants to debate placebo effect is neither here nor there because the science and math doesn't lie. You can graph your injections on steroidcalc and see the peaks/valleys and compare based on injection frequency.

    From real world application, I have the luxury of unlimited free bloodwork. I have 10 years of blood work and spreadsheets / graphs coming out the wazoo. Prior to adding Deca to my HRT regiment, I would routinely get bloodwork done just so I could have data.

    Some people like watching Netflix, I like graphing my health.

    In terms of you AI, here are the steps I would take to remove your AI;

    1) Switch to MWF or E3D injections and monitor
    2) If 1 doesn't work, introduce 200mg of DIM
    3) If 1+2 doesn't work, titrate up to 400mg (then 600mg) of DIM AND/OR 50-100mg Masteron

    Seperate from those, I would also advise adding the following to your HRT if not already introduced

    1) Vitamin D3 (this is actually a hormone in our body)
    2) DHEA
    3) 50-80mg Deca (one year supply is going to only cost you $65-95)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I've been on HRT for almost a decade. I blindly followed the cookie cutter Mon/Thurs injection routine for my Test. I switched to MWF (only one extra injection per week) and it's a substantial difference. Whether someone wants to debate placebo effect is neither here nor there because the science and math doesn't lie. You can graph your injections on steroidcalc and see the peaks/valleys and compare based on injection frequency.

    From real world application, I have the luxury of unlimited free bloodwork. I have 10 years of blood work and spreadsheets / graphs coming out the wazoo. Prior to adding Deca to my HRT regiment, I would routinely get bloodwork done just so I could have data.

    Some people like watching Netflix, I like graphing my health.

    In terms of you AI, here are the steps I would take to remove your AI;

    1) Switch to MWF or E3D injections and monitor
    2) If 1 doesn't work, introduce 200mg of DIM
    3) If 1+2 doesn't work, titrate up to 400mg (then 600mg) of DIM AND/OR 50-100mg Masteron

    Seperate from those, I would also advise adding the following to your HRT if not already introduced

    1) Vitamin D3 (this is actually a hormone in our body)
    2) DHEA
    3) 50-80mg Deca (one year supply is going to only cost you $65-95)
    I like to keep stable levels myself. If I could put up w pinning more I would.
    However, I have heard a solid argument for not keeping stable levels. This one guys actually used sust for trt. He says your body doesn't naturally keep stable hormone levels, so it's not good to have it as such. Something about how it aromatizes. I think it was drugs n stuff episode 32, could be wrong. Also, in a much earlier episode, he had another good argument for spikes leading to better hypertrophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I've been on HRT for almost a decade. I blindly followed the cookie cutter Mon/Thurs injection routine for my Test. I switched to MWF (only one extra injection per week) and it's a substantial difference. Whether someone wants to debate placebo effect is neither here nor there because the science and math doesn't lie. You can graph your injections on steroidcalc and see the peaks/valleys and compare based on injection frequency.

    From real world application, I have the luxury of unlimited free bloodwork. I have 10 years of blood work and spreadsheets / graphs coming out the wazoo. Prior to adding Deca to my HRT regiment, I would routinely get bloodwork done just so I could have data.

    Some people like watching Netflix, I like graphing my health.

    In terms of you AI, here are the steps I would take to remove your AI;

    1) Switch to MWF or E3D injections and monitor
    2) If 1 doesn't work, introduce 200mg of DIM
    3) If 1+2 doesn't work, titrate up to 400mg (then 600mg) of DIM AND/OR 50-100mg Masteron

    Seperate from those, I would also advise adding the following to your HRT if not already introduced

    1) Vitamin D3 (this is actually a hormone in our body)
    2) DHEA
    3) 50-80mg Deca (one year supply is going to only cost you $65-95)
    I have been on the 3.5D injections since I started 8 years ago. I do take D3 and micronized slow release DHEA. I have never tried DIM? I wish I could do unlimited labs, I would be like you and have graphs and charts of everything. I am curious why you recommend 50-80mg Deca? Would that be daily every 3.5days etc .... My concern with deca is that it is considered a bulking steroid (maybe not in the low dose), but I really don't want to get bigger at this point of my life. Do you feel this dose of Deca would help with joint pain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethdoth View Post
    I have been on the 3.5D injections since I started 8 years ago. I do take D3 and micronized slow release DHEA. I have never tried DIM? I wish I could do unlimited labs, I would be like you and have graphs and charts of everything. I am curious why you recommend 50-80mg Deca? Would that be daily every 3.5days etc .... My concern with deca is that it is considered a bulking steroid (maybe not in the low dose), but I really don't want to get bigger at this point of my life. Do you feel this dose of Deca would help with joint pain?
    E3D is different than every 3.5 days. It would mean 10 injections per month rather than 8.

    At 50-80mg of Deca it's just a therapeutic dose. You won't blow up and you'd wanna inject it at the same frequency as the rest of your HRT for simplicity. You would need to pull Deca 6-8 weeks prior to running Free Testosterone bloodwork otherwise your doctor will have a stroke. The joint benefits are great.

    You'd also wanna introduce Glucosamine year round with Chondroitin + MSM to offset having to pull Deca out (if applicable).

    DIM is actually better than an AI for TRT purposes. It also cheaper and not toxic.

    This is my HRT for comparison (I inject MWF)

    90mg Test
    100mg Deca
    150mg Primo
    7000IU Calciferol
    3.3IU HGH
    30mg MK677
    20mg Cardarine
    50mg DHEA
    1000IU HCG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    E3D is different than every 3.5 days. It would mean 10 injections per month rather than 8.

    At 50-80mg of Deca it's just a therapeutic dose. You won't blow up and you'd wanna inject it at the same frequency as the rest of your HRT for simplicity. You would need to pull Deca 6-8 weeks prior to running Free Testosterone bloodwork otherwise your doctor will have a stroke. The joint benefits are great.

    You'd also wanna introduce Glucosamine year round with Chondroitin + MSM to offset having to pull Deca out (if applicable).

    DIM is actually better than an AI for TRT purposes. It also cheaper and not toxic.

    This is my HRT for comparison (I inject MWF)

    90mg Test
    100mg Deca
    150mg Primo
    7000IU Calciferol
    3.3IU HGH
    30mg MK677
    20mg Cardarine
    50mg DHEA
    1000IU HCG
    How much does DIM lower e2 for you? I am not too far out of range and would like to knock it down to the middle, but worried about tanking

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    How much does DIM lower e2 for you? I am not too far out of range and would like to knock it down to the middle, but worried about tanking
    I don't take DIM as I'm only on 90mg of Test for HRT and the most amount of Test i'll run is about 160-180mg. I never go above that to remove the need for an estrogen control. Instead I just run high doses of 19nors and manipulate my diet.

    In a vacuum 600mg of DIM = 12.5mg Aromasin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    E3D is different than every 3.5 days. It would mean 10 injections per month rather than 8.

    At 50-80mg of Deca it's just a therapeutic dose. You won't blow up and you'd wanna inject it at the same frequency as the rest of your HRT for simplicity. You would need to pull Deca 6-8 weeks prior to running Free Testosterone bloodwork otherwise your doctor will have a stroke. The joint benefits are great.

    You'd also wanna introduce Glucosamine year round with Chondroitin + MSM to offset having to pull Deca out (if applicable).

    DIM is actually better than an AI for TRT purposes. It also cheaper and not toxic.

    This is my HRT for comparison (I inject MWF)

    90mg Test
    100mg Deca
    150mg Primo
    7000IU Calciferol
    3.3IU HGH
    30mg MK677
    20mg Cardarine
    50mg DHEA
    1000IU HCG
    Hummm I was looking at these amounts and have to ask is this what you take a week or on your injection day? Some numbers look like daily (DHEA) some weekly (HCG) and some per shot day (TEST)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethdoth View Post
    Hummm I was looking at these amounts and have to ask is this what you take a week or on your injection day? Some numbers look like daily (DHEA) some weekly (HCG) and some per shot day (TEST)?
    Test, HCG, Deca, and Primo are weekly.

    DHEA, Calciferol, HGH, MK, and Cardarine are daily.
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