Taking 250mg a week for first cycle?

[GearHeaded]

Personally i dont agree. Running a cycle without a testbase, is not a good idea.
Everything thats hits the ARs is supressive and in 4-5 weeks, u will get tired wo test.
Even SARMs will supress your own test after 4 weeks.
Even testbased roids like dianabol and the superandrogenic trenbolone, can never be a replacement for test, when it comes to feelgood.
Im talking from own experiences, not broscience, studies and theori.
Beeing sensitive is not an argue. 500 mg test is very safe. Some says u can run it for life. Just make sure u dial in with AIs.
U can start with 250, then up to 500 after 5 weeks if GTG.

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I'm not trying to be an ass here . but your kinda contradicting yourself here.

one of the only reasons why test is so "magic" and 'needed' on cycle is because it converts to estrogen. which is a necessary hormone.
the suppression of other dugs, and things like SARMs which you mentioned, is true but they also don't convert to estrogen. so your suppression simply is a suppression of estrogen itself.
thats what makes test important.

YET you end your statement with saying to use AI's . which suppresses the conversion of Test to estrogen in the first place.

do you see the contradiction here ?


I agree that Test can definitely be beneficial on cycle. but thats mainly because of its conversion to estrogen.
if you run a SARMs only cycle, and SARMs don't convert to estrogen , the long term problem with the suppression that happens is because your estrogen drops to nothing. its not cause your Test is shut down, your androgen receptors are fully stimulated. its the estrogen receptors that are not.

ive ran plenty of no test cycles. they can be done no problem. but the main reason we need Test is for the estrogen. yet you say test is needed and then say to run an AI with it. thats a contradiction. cause again the reason you need the Test is for the estrogen itself.
estrogen controls the male libido and sexual function (not Test), Estrogen plays a role in glucose metabolism, in HGH and IGF production, in hepatic hdl cholesterol production , in nitric oxide and vascular dilation, etc. etc..

so saying that test is necessary on cycle . yet saying to take another drug that blocks the whole purpose of why test is necessary in the first place is a total contradiction. imo

[AR's King Silabolin]

I'm not trying to be an ass here . but your kinda contradicting yourself here.

one of the only reasons why test is so "magic" and 'needed' on cycle is because it converts to estrogen. which is a necessary hormone.
the suppression of other dugs, and things like SARMs which you mentioned, is true but they also don't convert to estrogen. so your suppression simply is a suppression of estrogen itself.
thats what makes test important.

YET you end your statement with saying to use AI's . which suppresses the conversion of Test to estrogen in the first place.

do you see the contradiction here ?


I agree that Test can definitely be beneficial on cycle. but thats mainly because of its conversion to estrogen.
if you run a SARMs only cycle, and SARMs don't convert to estrogen , the long term problem with the suppression that happens is because your estrogen drops to nothing. its not cause your Test is shut down, your androgen receptors are fully stimulated. its the estrogen receptors that are not.

ive ran plenty of no test cycles. they can be done no problem. but the main reason we need Test is for the estrogen. yet you say test is needed and then say to run an AI with it. thats a contradiction. cause again the reason you need the Test is for the estrogen itself.
estrogen controls the male libido and sexual function (not Test), Estrogen plays a role in glucose metabolism, in HGH and IGF production, in hepatic hdl cholesterol production , in nitric oxide and vascular dilation, etc. etc..

so saying that test is necessary on cycle . yet saying to take another drug that blocks the whole purpose of why test is necessary in the first place is a total contradiction. imo

Ur not an ass. Only from discussions we move on.
But i do not agree. All testbased steroids converts to estrogen. And dianabol converts like a mf. Some says even 25% of the tren converts. So there is more to it than degree of estrogen convertion. I feel bad on a dianabol only cycle, even if it will give me plenty of e2.
Nor the AIuse is contradictional. I say dial it in. A guy should use the dose which leave him in the upper high range of e2.

But again, i just talking from my own experiences. 26 years, 2 cycles a year.
And i can also say, all the gurues who were here before agreed on running cycles wo test, as a base or as the major component, is stupid.
Gosh that sounded harssh lol. I really dont give a rats ass who gets the last word and who knows more. My trench is in the gym. Im just here to pratice english and make Obs life as miserable as i can lol

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[Gallowmere]

Ur not an ass. Only from discussions we move on.
But i do not agree. All testbased steroids converts to estrogen. And dianabol converts like a mf. Some says even 25% of the tren converts. So there is more to it than degree of estrogen convertion. I feel bad on a dianabol only cycle, even if it will give me plenty of e2.
Nor the AIuse is contradictional. I say dial it in. A guy should use the dose which leave him in the upper high range of e2.

But again, i just talking from my own experiences. 26 years, 2 cycles a year.
And i can also say, all the gurues who were here before agreed on running cycles wo test, as a base or as the major component, is stupid.
Gosh that sounded harssh lol. I really dont give a rats ass who gets the last word and who knows more. My trench is in the gym. Im just here to pratice english and make Obs life as miserable as i can lol

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The aromatic metabolite of dianabol isn’t normal estradiol. It’s a weird ass frankenhormone that is methylated estradiol. It binds harder and has much more pronounced effects on receptors than E2 from non-methyl test. Such is why dbol aromatizes far less than test but causes more pronounced effects in that realm.

[AR's King Silabolin]

The aromatic metabolite of dianabol isn’t normal estradiol. It’s a weird ass frankenhormone that is methylated estradiol. It binds harder and has much more pronounced effects on receptors than E2 from non-methyl test. Such is why dbol aromatizes far less than test but causes more pronounced effects in that realm.

Ah.. Nice. Thanks. Did u know that, GH?

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[GearHeaded]

Ah.. Nice. Thanks. Did u know that, GH?

yes , I've always used the term that dbol converts to a more "biologically available" for of estradiol . but I like Gallows term "frankenhormonoe" as well .

this is one of the benefits of Dbol. not a negative.. thats why Dbol is added in to estrogenic phases of cycles and works quite well for that.
also , I've added D Bol at only 10mg per day to no test cycles for sole purpose of providing a powerful form of E. it does not take much and I never experienced low E sides

[charger69]

Ur not an ass. Only from discussions we move on.
But i do not agree. All testbased steroids converts to estrogen. And dianabol converts like a mf. Some says even 25% of the tren converts. So there is more to it than degree of estrogen convertion. I feel bad on a dianabol only cycle, even if it will give me plenty of e2.
Nor the AIuse is contradictional. I say dial it in. A guy should use the dose which leave him in the upper high range of e2.

But again, i just talking from my own experiences. 26 years, 2 cycles a year.
And i can also say, all the gurues who were here before agreed on running cycles wo test, as a base or as the major component, is stupid.
Gosh that sounded harssh lol. I really dont give a rats ass who gets the last word and who knows more. My trench is in the gym. Im just here to pratice english and make Obs life as miserable as i can lol

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Are you saying tren is a test based steroid?

Not here to argue: but take someone gyno prone and have them take 1g test and later 500 test and 500 primo.
In the first scenario- gyno
In the second - no gyno.
Note :l just used mixtures for example purposes.


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[AR's King Silabolin]

Are you saying tren is a test based steroid?

Not here to argue: but take someone gyno prone and have them take 1g test and later 500 test and 500 primo.
In the first scenario- gyno
In the second - no gyno.
Note :l just used mixtures for example purposes.


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No tren is not testbased. Its a pimped nandroloneroid. Like, they made deca as androgenic as they could.
BUT...some of it converts to e2. At least there are plenty of gurues who say it does.
So if ur running +500 mg of it, u migth wanna put in some extra AI for it. In addition to your DA.

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[The God Himself]

No tren is not testbased. Its a pimped nandroloneroid. Like, they made deca as androgenic as they could.
BUT...some of it converts to e2. At least there are plenty of gurues who say it does.
So if ur running +500 mg of it, u migth wanna put in some extra AI for it. In addition to your DA.

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I agree with the first sentence of your answer man. But trenbolone does NOT convert to estrogen. It's already similiar to estrogen in its chemical form in the first place. It is called 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one. (whereas the E2 is (17β)-estra-1,3,5(10)-triene-3,17-diol, see the similiarity here?)
It is not aromatizable yet its even anti-estrogenic due to its androgenic properties. See the following quote from the scientific paper below.

"It is plausible that the antiestrogenic effects and apparently nonaromatizable aspects of trenbolone partially underlie the slightly diminished bone-protective effects and the apparent adynamic bone state..."
Source: https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/...ndo.00440.2010

Edit: It is known that trenbolone skews your bloodwork and may cause your E2 levels to appear higher than they actually are. Since its similiar to estrogen in its chemical form, it may effect the bloodwork by looking similiar to E2 depending on whether you use ECLIA or LC/MS/MS methodologies for testing E2. This may mislead both patients and doctors if someone takes tren while on medically supervised TRT.

[GearHeaded]

Like, they made deca as androgenic as they could.

you mean NON androgenic as they could correct . Cause Deca was made to have no androgenic properties so it could be used in women and children (which it can be). Deca is not androgenic at all , its a pure anabolic. it doesn't convert to dht either, it converts to DHN , which will bind to DHT reports and take their place cut illicit zero DHT and androgenic like properties .
in this way Deca is an anti androgenic. also why guess will end up getting deca dick and feminizing characteristics if they ran only deca for long periods of time. its because they loose all androngeic properties and have no androgens coming in an the deca because of the DHN is acting as an anti androgen

[GearHeaded]

Ur not an ass. Only from discussions we move on.
But i do not agree. All testbased steroids converts to estrogen. And dianabol converts like a mf. Some says even 25% of the tren converts. So there is more to it than degree of estrogen convertion. I feel bad on a dianabol only cycle, even if it will give me plenty of e2.
Nor the AIuse is contradictional. I say dial it in. A guy should use the dose which leave him in the upper high range of e2.

But again, i just talking from my own experiences. 26 years, 2 cycles a year.
And i can also say, all the gurues who were here before agreed on running cycles wo test, as a base or as the major component, is stupid.
Gosh that sounded harssh lol. I really dont give a rats ass who gets the last word and who knows more. My trench is in the gym. Im just here to pratice english and make Obs life as miserable as i can lol

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a majority of the drugs we have access to for AAS do NOT convert to estrogen to any considerable degree.
Test, Ment, Dbol, Chaque drops . thats about it.

yet
Masteron, primo, dhb, stenbolone, winny, var, tren, methyl tren, superdrol, T bol, Deca, Eq, SARMS .. all do NOT aromatize to any real degree . if you took anyone of these drugs as a stand alone by itself then your Estrogen levels will likely plummet.

so just saying we have plenty more non estrogenic drugs to chose from.

BUT this is why Test is good as a base of a cycle (I agree with you) ,, its because we need the estrogen conversion from the Test, and nothing else converts to E quite like test.

but , non Test based cycles also work. you can still get some estrogen needs met if stacked properly , or maybe your trying to purposely run a low E cycle .

something like Tren with a little bit of Dbol . Tren will sensitize your estrogen receptors to estrogen, it will also bind strongly to the androgen receptors,, but there is no actual estrogen coming in cause Tren does not aromatize . so throw in just a tad bit of Dbol and now you do have some coming in..

or if your not sensitive to exogenous test just yeah run test as your base