2020 goals to put on size

[Proximal]

So then, the primary reasoning to get off of a cycle would be issues like lipids, liver enzymes & sides?

[Gallowmere]

So then, the primary reasoning to get off of a cycle would be issues like lipids, liver enzymes & sides?

Pretty much. You could stay on huge doses forever and keep growing, but you’re eventually going to feel so shit that it wouldn’t matter. Plus the whole death thing.
I pushed my very first cycle to 18 weeks just because I was still seeing results. The last week and a half I just felt like fucking death.
It was probably a combination of the gear, the overfeeding, and the fact that you can just push harder when on cycle. Something is eventually gonna break.

[GearHeaded]

OP - if you want to put on 40 pounds this year . this is my advice

- run a lot of Anabolic based drugs over androgenic based drugs.. so that would be things like deca and primo over tren and mast.

- add other growth factors to your stacks. this means using things like HGH, Insulin, MK677, T4, low dose Clen, etc.. to hit various growth pathways outside of the androgen recptor . stacking these things with the actual anabolic drugs will make things all work better together.

- food .. none of this stuff works without the co factors in place. nutrition provides the co factors. if you don't have the best appetite to begin with and you struggle to eat , then start off by at least making sure your getting the most nutrient dense food per serving.
chicken and rice isn't going to cut it.. go with steak and potato, salmon, ground bison, etc.. add avacodo and olive oil to all your meals. don't fill yourself up on crap food that has no nutrition and co factors in it for muscle growth.

[GearHeaded]

So then, the primary reasoning to get off of a cycle would be issues like lipids, liver enzymes & sides?

yes. but even these things are, imo, artificially simulated by the drugs themselves. for example, if your HDL cholesterol is 9 when your on a cycle of Tren, thats totally different then your HDL being 9 if totally natty. your not 'naturally' at 9.. the drug your taking is altering the value. there is more going on because of the drug.
if your at a 9 and your natural. you may want to be a bit worried.. but when on drugs, things are not the same.

just like if you were natty and your hematocrit was 58 , thats a sign of an under laying disease or problem with your kidneys or something. but if your on a gram of test and gram of deca and your Hemo is 58 , umm well that might be expected and thus be totally fine. there is no underlaying condition.

so yes , come off the drugs to give your body and blood work a break . but even the blood work issues are not as big as an issue and concern as some guys make them out to be ,, imo.


one of the best reasons to take time of from gear (apart from cleaning up health factors) is just simply to avoid accumulative fatigue. the drugs are up regulating all sorts of processes in the body. your turning over processes at a much higher rate then when natty. this requires energy and thus will generate fatigue. fatigue accumulates over time and we simply need to give the body a break