Guns and Ammo Thread

[spywizard]

actually... a person can have a handgun with no serial number... i can "build" one today if i want to... however, if it's a manufactured gun, with a serial number on it, and it's filed off..... that's the problem.. P80 is an 80% lower glock, (as one example, can also do a 1911) with some simple tools, you can "build" one yourself..

Just like an ar15 lower... there is no requirement to serialize it... however you cannot build it with the intent to sell it..

all of these terms i'm using are from the atf handbook for Licensed dealers..

[C27H40O3]

actually... a person can have a handgun with no serial number... i can "build" one today if i want to... however, if it's a manufactured gun, with a serial number on it, and it's filed off..... that's the problem.. P80 is an 80% lower glock, (as one example, can also do a 1911) with some simple tools, you can "build" one yourself..

Just like an ar15 lower... there is no requirement to serialize it... however you cannot build it with the intent to sell it..

all of these terms i'm using are from the atf handbook for Licensed dealers..

exactly. you can build a gun yourself for personal use and the government has no say in the matter (unless your state has laws against it, as mine does).

The way the feds claim a legal interest in firearms is by saying they are subject to interstate commerce. that is how they got their foot in the door to regulate them. Remember, the constitution says that everything to be regulated, but not explicitly assigned to the feds, is the purview of the states.

If you make a gun for personal use, and it never leaves the state, the feds have no legal way to assert jurisdiction over it. the feds cant claim its involved in interstate commerce.

[Beetlegeuse]

actually... a person can have a handgun with no serial number....

I've inherited four or three "heirloom" guns that were manufactured without a serial number. Even before the 1968 law required it, most big gun makers put serial numbers on guns anyway for inventory control, QC, and warranty purposes but I have no idea how old these guns are precisely because they have no S/N. For the most part all I have to go by is they're chambered in cartridges that came about after the advent of smokeless powders.

... Sometimes I have to read your posts 3 or 4 times before my pecan sized brain can fully appreciate it but in the end,...

Yeah, I'm the same way. Sometimes it takes a couple of days -- enough for the drugs wear off -- before I can make heads or tails of what I've written.

And thank you. We aims to please.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

actually... a person can have a handgun with no serial number... i can "build" one today if i want to... however, if it's a manufactured gun, with a serial number on it, and it's filed off..... that's the problem.. P80 is an 80% lower glock, (as one example, can also do a 1911) with some simple tools, you can "build" one yourself..

Just like an ar15 lower... there is no requirement to serialize it... however you cannot build it with the intent to sell it..

all of these terms i'm using are from the atf handbook for Licensed dealers..

https://www.5dtactical.com/gst-9-frame-p/gst9frame.htm

[Beetlegeuse]

...Just like an ar15 lower... there is no requirement to serialize it... however you cannot build it with the intent to sell it...

Except without a serial number it's a bit short on identifying features. Unless you put your monogram or your family crest on it, it's going to be difficult to prove who made it. And if you can't prove who made it then neither can you prove who didn't make it.


This guy is selling a computer controlled milling machine that only does one thing. It turns 80% lowers into the finished product. No machining skills required, just the $2100 price of admission. You can buy 40 AR lowers for that much money so I doubt anyone is buying the aptly-named Ghost Gun machine to make 40 lowers for themselves.