First cycle

[SampsonandDelilah]

Have never seen Aromasin as a PCT med, but it’s been 1/2 a decade since I’ve run a PCT, so my advice is limited there. Generally what I continue to see is Nolva, Clomid and Hcg. Doesn’t mean guys aren’t using it, I’m just not versed in it.

I used to utilize it whilst on cycle but learned later it was unnecessary and potentially inhibiting my gains by crushing my estrogen. I never ran an AI or SERM again while on and always felt better. Then at 39 I started TRT and have never looked back.

As I said earlier, it’s hard to make a recipe everyone can follow because all of our ovens are different.

I would start low and slow with an AI and be mindful of my body, be cognizant of my nipples, BP and whether you’re holding too much water. Without labs, you’ll have to self check and as I said be vigilant. With your history, I really think TRT would be a viable option but recognize your hesitation in looking for another doctor.

Test only cycles with an AI and SERM on hand with Nolva and clomid for PCT had been used countless times and I’m sure that more than a few got their start there.

At some point you just gotta take the plunge

Cheers for that. Been looking into Aromasin and lots of advice is to run it as PCT due to it's ability to increase endogenous T and IGF-1. Any opinions on it?

[MikeyMoo]

Have never seen Aromasin as a PCT med, but it’s been 1/2 a decade since I’ve run a PCT, so my advice is limited there. Generally what I continue to see is Nolva, Clomid and Hcg. Doesn’t mean guys aren’t using it, I’m just not versed in it.

I used to utilize it whilst on cycle but learned later it was unnecessary and potentially inhibiting my gains by crushing my estrogen. I never ran an AI or SERM again while on and always felt better. Then at 39 I started TRT and have never looked back.

As I said earlier, it’s hard to make a recipe everyone can follow because all of our ovens are different.

I would start low and slow with an AI and be mindful of my body, be cognizant of my nipples, BP and whether you’re holding too much water. Without labs, you’ll have to self check and as I said be vigilant. With your history, I really think TRT would be a viable option but recognize your hesitation in looking for another doctor.

Test only cycles with an AI and SERM on hand with Nolva and clomid for PCT had been used countless times and I’m sure that more than a few got their start there.

At some point you just gotta take the plunge

I've done some more fact finding-based on the feedback from you guys on this thread and have decided to change tack. I am going to run a trt level of test E (150mg, twice a week) together with 500iu hcg (2 x 250iu subq) and 25mg aromasin eod. 10 weeks. I've got arimidex, clomid and nolvadex on hand if necessary. Going to try and arrange bloods before and after.

Hopefully this will give me a good indication about how sensitive I am to the different compounds and experience in dealing with them. If all goes well, I can switch it up for a 'blast' in the knowledge that I have prepped my mind and body.

Will update this thread with my thoughts and experiences throughout, and I'm sure I'll have some questions - only one or two - if you don't mind..

[MikeyMoo]

I'm not sure anybody would call 300mg/week TRT levels... Docs in the US will normally start people out with 50 to 100 per week and adjust from there. 200 is what I think of as the high end of TRT, though I'm sure there are other schools of thought.

I don't have experience with Aromasin (yet), but if the above math is correct (1mg adex = 25 mg Aromasin), then that AI dosage is too much. Crushing your E is no fun and counterproductive.

We are all paranoid at one time or another about gyno but tanking your E will undo many of the positives associated with your efforts.

I would recommend:
start with good labs
no more than 200mg test per week
reduce the aromasin to 12.5 mg PER WEEK, probably as 6.25 mg 2x / week
run a longer time frame than 10 weeks
get labs at the 60 day mark to assess response and adjust dosages as needed
leave everything else as is.

I know it sounds like I'm pushing a TRT regimen, and it should because I am. Based on your recent training history, nutrition and everything going on with Covid-19, starting your first cycle now is just a Bad Idea. Check out some of the other threads here: experienced cyclers are deferring their cycles because of Covid-19. A lot of them are likely to cruise at TRT doses because those can be maintained indefinitely.

Listen, I get it: if you want to cycle, you're going to cycle. Just know that you likely won't be able to maximize your benefits right now.

Good luck with whatever path you choose! And please do keep us updated.

Thank you for the input bud. Can i ask what your source material is for the Aromasin dosage? The reason I ask, I based my numbers on a thread on here by 'Jimmyinkedup'

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rdosed-ai.html

The points that he made where interesting but the thread itself played out quite nicely, with others giving their opinions and personal experiences on it. Some agreed, some opposed - i guess as this is a first for me, I need to try and work out what is going to work best?

Also, the Exemestane that I ordered has come in 20mg tabs, and they are tiny and film-coated. I've got a pill cutter but would be surprised if it worked on these.

The issue I have with the labs is that all medical personnel are being redirected by the NHS to help combat the C19 spread - no labs over here are available currently.

Another thing - the vial that my hcg came in (5000iu) wouldn't hold 5ml of bac water; reckon I got around 4ml in there. Just to sanity check - 1ml is now 1250iu so if i want to take 250iu subq, twice per week, it's 0.2ml per pin. Right?

I have test e 300 so the lowest realistic (accurate) dose I reckon I can take will be 0.3ml (100mg), twice weekly. Given my size, do you not think that this is an acceptable level for me to run initially?

[MBaraso]

I'm not sure anybody would call 300mg/week TRT levels... Docs in the US will normally start people out with 50 to 100 per week and adjust from there. 200 is what I think of as the high end of TRT, though I'm sure there are other schools of thought.

I don't have experience with Aromasin (yet), but if the above math is correct (1mg adex = 25 mg Aromasin), then that AI dosage is too much. Crushing your E is no fun and counterproductive.

We are all paranoid at one time or another about gyno but tanking your E will undo many of the positives associated with your efforts.

I would recommend:
start with good labs
no more than 200mg test per week
reduce the aromasin to 12.5 mg PER WEEK, probably as 6.25 mg 2x / week
run a longer time frame than 10 weeks
get labs at the 60 day mark to assess response and adjust dosages as needed
leave everything else as is.

I know it sounds like I'm pushing a TRT regimen, and it should because I am. Based on your recent training history, nutrition and everything going on with Covid-19, starting your first cycle now is just a Bad Idea. Check out some of the other threads here: experienced cyclers are deferring their cycles because of Covid-19. A lot of them are likely to cruise at TRT doses because those can be maintained indefinitely.

Listen, I get it: if you want to cycle, you're going to cycle. Just know that you likely won't be able to maximize your benefits right now.

Good luck with whatever path you choose! And please do keep us updated.

You guys are wayyy more cautious then we used to be lol
Diet/ exercise then jump on some test 400mgs a week ....you will see results. Pct as suggested