Adding nandrolone to TRT

[Gallowmere]

I'll try. It is a somewhat complicated subject.

Guys who have low SHBG burn through T much faster than guys with normal or high SHBG. For a couple days after the injection, their Free T skyrockets and that drives Red blood cell (RBC) production. Hemoglobin and hematocrit are 2 ways to measure RBC production. Both T and DHT (to a grater extent) will push up your RBC production, so the more free T that is available, the more RBCs you produce.

The problem is that you burn through T so quickly, that with standard doses (e.g., 100mg in once weekly injections), you do not have a sufficient amount of T left in you system at the end of the week, so you feel like crap. To compensate (if you stick with once weekly injections), you inject larger and lager amounts of T so that you have something left at the end of the week to feel somewhat normal. However, this pushes your post-injection spike in blood T levels higher and high, and this drives RBC production faster and faster. Sometimes to dangerous levels.

Again, I have the opposite problem with SHBG, so I can only go off of what I've heard other guys discuss in various forums. The consensus among these guys is that when you have low SHBG, you are better off with more frequent injections of T rather than increasing the dose. So, for example, instead of bumping the weekly dose up to 200mg, you might consider injecting 20mg per day which equates to 140mg/week. This will help keep your Free T levels in the normal range throughout the week without driving huge spikes in Free T as you would with a larger 200mg once weekly dose. This will slow down RBC product to a more normal rate.

As someone with chronically low shbg, I’ve definitely found this to be the case. My results (and issues with side effects) are drastically improved with increased dose frequency.
Even with long ester cycles (Enanthate and Decanoate), I’m better off with 4x/week pins. With short esters (acetate and prop), daily is pretty much mandatory, and I’m sure that 2x/day would work even better, if I could be fucked to do it so often.

[kelkel]

As someone with chronically low shbg, I’ve definitely found this to be the case. My results (and issues with side effects) are drastically improved with increased dose frequency.
Even with long ester cycles (Enanthate and Decanoate), I’m better off with 4x/week pins. With short esters (acetate and prop), daily is pretty much mandatory, and I’m sure that 2x/day would work even better, if I could be fucked to do it so often.

Give me an idea what your "low" actually is is you don't mind.
What side effects did you have Gallo?

[Gallowmere]

Give me an idea what your "low" actually is is you don't mind.
What side effects did you have Gallo?

Tends to hover between 14-18 nmol, though admittedly it’s been about a year since I bothered having it checked.
By side effects, I mean the usual stuff that comes with the various anabolics. More acne and subq water retention with test (even though my E2 is usually on the lower end, as I don’t aromatize much). Similar with nandrolone, and the subq retention is pretty obvious with dbol even with it’s short halflife if I don’t dose split. Masteron I didn’t see any sides, but by the time I was stacking it, I was using MastE at 4x/week with the testE and deca.
Haven’t gotten around to trying Tren yet, but I won’t be trying eod with ace anyway, as I already have a pretty good idea that I’ll be much better off with ed.

[kelkel]

Tends to hover between 14-18 nmol, though admittedly it’s been about a year since I bothered having it checked.
By side effects, I mean the usual stuff that comes with the various anabolics. More acne and subq water retention with test (even though my E2 is usually on the lower end, as I don’t aromatize much). Similar with nandrolone, and the subq retention is pretty obvious with dbol even with it’s short halflife if I don’t dose split. Masteron I didn’t see any sides, but by the time I was stacking it, I was using MastE at 4x/week with the testE and deca.
Haven’t gotten around to trying Tren yet, but I won’t be trying eod with ace anyway, as I already have a pretty good idea that I’ll be much better off with ed.

My last BW had my shbg at 8.1 on a scale of 19.3-76.4. To show what that does with testosterone, my total on 50mgs x 2 was 535 (LC/MS methodology) and my free was 39.9 on a scale of 6.6 - 18.1. Fascinating. Pulling more basic BW on Monday but not bothering with shbg....

[Gallowmere]

My last BW had my shbg at 8.1 on a scale of 19.3-76.4. To show what that does with testosterone, my total on 50mgs x 2 was 535 (LC/MS methodology) and my free was 39.9 on a scale of 6.6 - 18.1. Fascinating. Pulling more basic BW on Monday but not bothering with shbg....

Yeah, I had a similar thing with my free. It made my doctor freak out for a bit, so my next bw I left the free off, and he was fine with the total.
The slavishness to ranges is goofy.

[kelkel]

Yeah, I had a similar thing with my free. It made my doctor freak out for a bit, so my next bw I left the free off, and he was fine with the total.
The slavishness to ranges is goofy.

Oh it's horrible how some doc's are that way. I could not imagine having to deal with docs like that. I'm fortunate to have a great relationship with my Uro. So much so that I just wrote up my script for Mondays BW a couple minutes ago.