The mainstream media did this to America

[The Deadlifting Dog]

That’s not implied trust. And its no different than any government worker. We expect them all to do the job they are getting paid for. That’s the simple concept. Cops are no different.


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Policeman are different.
They have a different job.
They take an oath.

"On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the constitution, my community, and the agency I serve."

IACP_Oath_of_Honor_En_8.5x11_Web.pdf

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/defaul...8.5x11_Web.pdf

Please stop comparing policeman to garbagemen.

No disrespect to sanitation but one carries a gun and the other doesn't.

[C27H40O3]

Policeman are different.
They have a different job.
They take an oath.

"On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the constitution, my community, and the agency I serve."

IACP_Oath_of_Honor_En_8.5x11_Web.pdf

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/defaul...8.5x11_Web.pdf

Please stop comparing policeman to garbagemen.

No disrespect to sanitation but one carries a gun and the other doesn't.

Every government worker takes an oath, at least in my state. You swear to uphold the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New York. There is opportunities for corruption in every public job, hence the oath.


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[Gallowmere]

Every government worker takes an oath, at least in my state. You swear to uphold the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New York. There is opportunities for corruption in every public job, hence the oath.


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Oh, I’m not going to argue against that for even a second. Trust me: every single thing that I have said regarding police should apply to every single public sector worker.
The difference is, we don’t have firemen who’s direct actions lead to deaths (except for the occasional arsonist psychopath who deserves an even higher punishment than random criminal arsonists), nor garbage collectors regularly “accidentally” forgetting to stop the compactor when they hear someone inside. And ya’ know, I couldn’t tell you the last time I heard about a judge “accidentally” signing off on the death penalty for someone writing rubber checks.

[C27H40O3]

Oh, I’m not going to argue against that for even a second. Trust me: every single thing that I have said regarding police should apply to every single public sector worker.
The difference is, we don’t have firemen who’s direct actions lead to deaths (except for the occasional arsonist psychopath who deserves an even higher punishment than random criminal arsonists), nor garbage collectors regularly “accidentally” forgetting to stop the compactor when they hear someone inside. And ya’ know, I couldn’t tell you the last time I heard about a judge “accidentally” signing off on the death penalty for someone writing rubber checks.

It is not the job of any of those professions to engage violent criminals who dont want to go back to jail, hence there is no chance that anyone could die interacting with them.

their inclusion in this discussion could only be meant to misdirect attention from the issue at hand.

What is the whole systemic something or other issue that you mentioned before. Explain what you meant by that.


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[Gallowmere]

It is not the job of any of those professions to engage violent criminals who dont want to go back to jail, hence there is no chance that anyone could die interacting with them.

their inclusion in this discussion could only be meant to misdirect attention from the issue at hand.

What is the whole systemic something or other issue that you mentioned before. Explain what you meant by that.


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“Fitting the description” is what I was talking about. I’ve personally seen more than one black guy being fucked with because they matched the profile of someone the police were looking for. That profile generally amounts to “black and whatever age group”. So one of two things is happening here. Either all black people look the same (I swear to god if you take that bait, this conversation is done), or it’s just easier to canvas the shit out of a minority group and see what you catch, than to gather more detailed information.
Both of these imply exactly what I meant by systemic racism.
Now, since you like statistics, what happens as the encounter rate with police goes up for a specific group?

[C27H40O3]

“Fitting the description” is what I was talking about. I’ve personally seen more than one black guy being fucked with because they matched the profile of someone the police were looking for. That profile generally amounts to “black and whatever age group”. So one of two things is happening here. Either all black people look the same (I swear to god if you take that bait, this conversation is done), or it’s just easier to canvas the shit out of a minority group and see what you catch, than to gather more detailed information.
Both of these imply exactly what I meant by systemic racism.
Now, since you like statistics, what happens as the encounter rate with police goes up for a specific group?

If they are going by a description, that means they didnt see the crime. They have a victim somewhere supplying the description. The cops want to make the arrest. They dont want to wast time stopping the wrong guy, because the criminal could have more chance of getting away while they are jerking around with the wrong guy. They stop based on the description, there is no other way.

Would you have them stop white guys or Asians if the description said male black, just to be fair? I dont get your point.

Cops stop based on the description they get. Lets hear your suggestion how to do it better.


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[C27H40O3]

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Now, since you like statistics, what happens as the encounter rate with police goes up for a specific group?

I didnt see this the first time. I can infer from your question that you acknowledge the greater possibilities of problems as the encounter rate with police goes up.

That whole phenomenon you refer to is the reason why, in my city, the numbers of black folks engaged in dealings with the cops is much higher than that of other groups, relative to their population. They get tired of seeing cops everywhere in the neighborhood. They get resentful and start to resist what seems like an army of occupation.

The problem is that it is no accident the cops are there, they are responding to where the crime trends are. My local newspaper said the police department has a policy to “put cops on dots”. It was made famous by boston police chief Bratton in the early 1990s. You plot reported crime on a map, then assign cops there to keep the people from getting victimized. They dont flood the white neighborhoods in my city because that’s not where the crime is.

More cops in an area aggressively addressing crime conditions will necessarily conflict with young folks who like to cause public disorder like smashing bottles on the street, fighting in the street, blasting car radios in front of buildings, damaging parked cars, getting drunk and hassling folks.

Go to the areas with tall housing projects, old tenements, broken down apartment buildings, and there will always be large groups of youth out front, usually causing some kind of ruckus. Go to the white areas of private homes, you dont observe that kind of stuff.

I am speaking of my city. Your mileage may vary. I just know what i see here.


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[charger69]

Every government worker takes an oath, at least in my state. You swear to uphold the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New York. There is opportunities for corruption in every public job, hence the oath.


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And the law takes that into account. What would be a misdemeanor crime for someone may be a felony for a civil servant.


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[Proximal]

Every government worker takes an oath, at least in my state. You swear to uphold the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New York. There is opportunities for corruption in every public job, hence the oath.


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I didn’t take an oath as a teacher. I could have unintentionally killed a student a couple of years back and with a skilled lawyer, rightfully gotten a lighter sentence (even if it was recorded).

When your job is to protect lives, you should be given certain latitude while at the same time being held to a higher standard. You intentionally cross the line, your ass should be hung from a hook.