AI or not?

[liv2thafullest]

So Andro gel is no good then? Is there a better TRT I should ask my doctor about? I was on the patches and those were way worse even!

[liv2thafullest]

Ok so I'm going yo start without it then. I am not sensitive to gyno at all, have never even had any issues with it. I am lean by nature and never had any issues with anything related to high estrogen.

I did buy some, at a higher price than I would have liked, I guess ill keep it on hand for now.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Ok so I'm going yo start without it then. I am not sensitive to gyno at all, have never even had any issues with it. I am lean by nature and never had any issues with anything related to high estrogen.

I did buy some, at a higher price than I would have liked, I guess ill keep it on hand for now.

If it’s TRT and physician prescribed, it’s hard to beat at home injections with a scripted 10 ML bottle (if you don’t have an aversion to needles).

I’d also advise you take at look at the TRT section on the forum as well.

I’m 45 and have been on TRT for 5 years, doing injections at home is a breeze coupled with twice yearly labs.

[Dash Bronson]

If it’s TRT and physician prescribed, it’s hard to beat at home injections with a scripted 10 ML bottle (if you don’t have an aversion to needles).

I’d also advise you take at look at the TRT section on the forum as well.

I’m 45 and have been on TRT for 5 years, doing injections at home is a breeze coupled with twice yearly labs.

Ill be turning 40 soon myself, run two businesses, and stay extremely active so its really important I have my test optimized. Saw the Dr. other day and my total T is 620 and Doc told me that I was very high for my age bracket and not to worry, he didn't understand the importance of free T, which is WAY low in my case... I was like a 4 free or something pretty low.

My point is you have been on TRT 5 years? and I'm considering TRT because I'm getting older... Is the biggest downside having to keep your needle/gear with you when traveling? I mean people with diabetes do that every day with no issue.

Is there any other side effects or negatives you've run into over the last 5 years? I'm weighing all options...

[GearHeaded]

Ill be turning 40 soon myself, run two businesses, and stay extremely active so its really important I have my test optimized. Saw the Dr. other day and my total T is 620 and Doc told me that I was very high for my age bracket and not to worry, he didn't understand the importance of free T, which is WAY low in my case... I was like a 4 free or something pretty low.

My point is you have been on TRT 5 years? and I'm considering TRT because I'm getting older... Is the biggest downside having to keep your needle/gear with you when traveling? I mean people with diabetes do that every day with no issue.

Is there any other side effects or negatives you've run into over the last 5 years? I'm weighing all options...

you don't need TRT with natty test levels 600+ .. no doc is likely going to prescribe you TRT with those levels .

I'm in my 40s as well . been on TRT for around 10 years. but before that I built multiple businesses, built an empire, had 5 kids, homeschooled them, hunted, ran 5ks, etc. etc.. but my test levels were only 160 . you don't have to have "optimal" test levels in order to succeed in life and run businesses (your just using that as an excuse for yourself) . how are women able to be successful in business and life if they have barely any Testosterone ?

you don't need TRT , imo . you can raise your free T level though other aspects, even diet changes.
Now if you want to run AAS cycles cause you diet, lift and train hard . then more power to you.


for someone that needs TRT. there really is no downside. there is a minor cost.. and no you don't have to worry about carrying needles with you all the time. a once a week shot is no big deal.


if you get on TRT when you already have naturally decent levels, your simply going to suppress those natural levels and it could be permanent . and thus actually make you and cause you to be hypogonadal .
but again, if you want to "optimize" and take steroids cause you train and want to better yourself . then sure why not . but thats not TRT

[Dash Bronson]

you don't need TRT with natty test levels 600+ .. no doc is likely going to prescribe you TRT with those levels .

if you get on TRT when you already have naturally decent levels, your simply going to suppress those natural levels and it could be permanent . and thus actually make you and cause you to be hypogonadal .
but again, if you want to "optimize" and take steroids cause you train and want to better yourself . then sure why not . but thats not TRT

But do I? I realize my total T is what many physicians look at first but from everything ive read on the subject free test matter just as much if not more in some ways. My Free test is way low...

I know you can function in life with low T. I'm a perfect example. The last 5 years ive been so busy building my company id sometimes go a month without doing a workout. eating terribly etc. I was productive working 80 or more hours a week but felt like shit because I was over weight, no energy, low test, and just felt shitty so I decided to make a change back to how I used to train and eat in my 20s. I'm now almost in the best shape of my life naturally which is why my Test even came back that high.

Aside from introducing more Test into my body is there an alternative way to get my free testosterone up at least to normal levels?

[SampsonandDelilah]

But do I? I realize my total T is what many physicians look at first but from everything ive read on the subject free test matter just as much if not more in some ways. My Free test is way low...

I know you can function in life with low T. I'm a perfect example. The last 5 years ive been so busy building my company id sometimes go a month without doing a workout. eating terribly etc. I was productive working 80 or more hours a week but felt like shit because I was over weight, no energy, low test, and just felt shitty so I decided to make a change back to how I used to train and eat in my 20s. I'm now almost in the best shape of my life naturally which is why my Test even came back that high.

Aside from introducing more Test into my body is there an alternative way to get my free testosterone up at least to normal levels?

Proviron to eat up SHBG

[The Deadlifting Dog]

So Andro gel is no good then? Is there a better TRT I should ask my doctor about? I was on the patches and those were way worse even!

I am not saying it is no good.
I am saying that you don't absorb all 280mgs so it isn't like you will be on 500+280=780mgs per week. (You are probably closer to 500+100=600mgs per week.)

I started out on Axiron. Worked great for me.
Transdermals more closely match your body's natural testosterone daily cycle.

However, they are way more expensive than injections.

[liv2thafullest]

I started out on the patch, but I work construction and it would always fall off when I sweat.
If you're saying I am only absorbing 100mg out of 280mg then to me thats no good. Thats not even 50%, that's worse than no good that's terrible.