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    Quote Originally Posted by GargaML View Post
    I tried to ask all questions in one place, but it seems the rules are very strict here. I recommended posting your thread in the AAS Q&A forum as opposed to the TRT forum. Just like someone seeking diet advice shouldn't post in the workout forum. I was attempting to be helpful not strict.

    What is the minimal weekly test enanthate dosage needed to be effective at increasing strength if youre not hypogonadal. I hear 100mg is worthless. So whats worthwhile? Something that will get you above the natural level of testosterone. Say 200mg plus. Just note that whenever you go on steroids are at risk for damaging your HPTA. Meaning that, if you naturally produces say 717ng/dl test before your cycle, you may only produce 500ng/dl test when you come off.
    Quote Originally Posted by GargaML View Post
    Wait a minute. I thought you could never come off. If you are hypogonadal (Low T) then you are always hypogonadal. (there are exceptions) So people on TRT don't come off because if they did go off TRT they would simply go back to having Low T again. I recall someone telling me that in here. They assumed you had Low T simply because you posted in the TRT forum. That is why I recommend you post in the AAS Q&A forum. If I can come off I would absolutely love to try the minimum dose of 200. But from what I’ve been told here that’s not going to even get me to the level I’m at now naturally. No. You were told 100mg would likely get you to 800. Ideally, I would like to stay on for some interval of time it doesn’t really matter. 12 weeks sounds reasonable to me. Get some gains, then come off. To answer your question
    Quote Originally Posted by GargaML View Post
    Straight up huh? I like it. Thanks for the straightforward answer.

    Im guessing you mean
    Age 40
    Total test 717 ngdl
    Free test 12 ngdl
    190 lbs
    I am a powerlifter. I want to do what i have to in order to hit a few massive pulls. IMO: testosterone alone doesn't give much strength gains but it does allow you to recover quicker and thus train more. There are more advanced drugs that give strength gains. Then come off. Later in life when I have low testosterone Im up for trt.

    Is that what you meant by stats?
    Quote Originally Posted by GargaML View Post
    So let me get this right. (Im sorry to fixate on this piece but its the one piece of info im truly seeking). Im getting conflicting messages. You are not getting conflicting messages. This is all new to you and you simply are getting confused. One person says you can come off and maintain natural production with pct. Yes but you may damage your natural testosterone production. The other says 500 is the min cause anything less is not worth shutting off your production (implying youre Going to shutdown regardless of dose). He is saying that since you are shutting yourself down... and since you may damage your HPTA... He wouldn't recommend doing it for any less than 500mg/week. Do you see my confusion?

    Is there a dose that wont shut me down in 12 week cycle but also gives tangible gains? No, pretty much any dose will shut you down. Test and hcg only.
    See above in red.

    Just added this... I think this is part of your confusion.
    When you take AAS you shut down.
    When you stop you take PCT to help restore your natural production.
    You always run the risk that you don't restore back to your starting point. (Your HPTA gets damaged.)
    This is why people say, if you are going to use you should at least use a decent enough dose, say 500mg/week.

    I hope this helps.

    FYI: I am a 49yr competitive powerlifter. At our age it ain't easy.
    Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 07-01-2020 at 09:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    See above in red.

    Just added this... I think this is part of your confusion.
    When you take AAS you shut down.
    When you stop you take PCT to help restore your natural production.
    You always run the risk that you don't restore back to your starting point. (Your HPTA gets damaged.)
    This is why people say, if you are going to use you should at least use a decent enough dose, say 500mg/week.

    I hope this helps.

    FYI: I am a 49yr competitive powerlifter. At our age it ain't easy.
    Great through answers here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    Great through answers here.
    Thank you. Just trying to help.

    It ain't rocket science but it sure can be confusing to someone at first.
    I remember when I first started.
    I outsmarted everyone and injected test P sub Q ED to avoid pinning IM.
    Ended up with black and blue welts across my stomach.
    Couldn't get a good night sleep for days it hurt so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    See above in red.

    Just added this... I think this is part of your confusion.
    When you take AAS you shut down.
    When you stop you take PCT to help restore your natural production.
    You always run the risk that you don't restore back to your starting point. (Your HPTA gets damaged.)
    This is why people say, if you are going to use you should at least use a decent enough dose, say 500mg/week.

    I hope this helps.

    FYI: I am a 49yr competitive powerlifter. At our age it ain't easy.
    Man, hell yea. Thank you for taking the time to educate my bitch ass and putting the puzzle pieces together.

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