2020 Covid Weightloss Competition Official Thread

[guitarzan]

I’m going to go with intermediate fasting, lots of cardio and I’m almost thinking about falling for a keto pill. If anything the caffeine will help me that’s in the pills, I’m just cheap nowadays. I want all my fat gone.......period.

Have you considered eca? For the ephedrine you can buy bronkaid at most pharmacys. I like it because it curbs my appetite, and I don't get the shakes as bad as I do with clen

[BG]

Have you considered eca? For the ephedrine you can buy bronkaid at most pharmacys. I like it because it curbs my appetite, and I don't get the shakes as bad as I do with clen

I would worried about sleep, I don’t sleep well and I just got it going pretty decently. Does eca affect your sleep at all?

[guitarzan]

I would worried about sleep, I don’t sleep well and I just got it going pretty decently. Does eca affect your sleep at all?

It doesn't for me, but I've heard of it causing issues with some people. I would definitely take it early in the morning if you try it, and start with breaking the ephedrine in half

[slfmade]

I would worried about sleep, I don’t sleep well and I just got it going pretty decently. Does eca affect your sleep at all?

Just don't take it too late in the day. I like ECA for more of pre-workout and phentermine more for weight loss but to each their own. I used to LOVE clen, but last time I tried it (a few years ago, I got horrible sides for the first time) Whatever route you go, just take it 1st thing in the morning. It's wore off by the end of the day. If for some reason, you haven't come down. Try reading something non-stimulating that will absolutely but you sleep. Might I suggest the following........




bahahahaha. I'm just fvcking with you.

[BG]

Just don't take it too late in the day. I like ECA for more of pre-workout and phentermine more for weight loss but to each their own. I used to LOVE clen, but last time I tried it (a few years ago, I got horrible sides for the first time) Whatever route you go, just take it 1st thing in the morning. It's wore off by the end of the day. If for some reason, you haven't come down. Try reading something non-stimulating that will absolutely but you sleep. Might I suggest the following........




bahahahaha. I'm just fvcking with you.

What because I got old and out of shape I had 23 years straight in the gym, Im done bodybuilding.......Im paying the price for it. I ride motocross and have to pop pain pills to do that

[SampsonandDelilah]

I would worried about sleep, I don’t sleep well and I just got it going pretty decently. Does eca affect your sleep at all?

It messes with me big time! I’m a sensitive one with stimulants though!

[BG]

It doesn't for me, but I've heard of it causing issues with some people. I would definitely take it early in the morning if you try it, and start with breaking the ephedrine in half

OK so what is the actual stack......forgive me, I always took so much tren and gh I never needed this crap

It messes with me big time! I’m a sensitive one with stimulants though!

Me too and I had a bad pre-workout issue, it probably did more damage then all the coke I did when I was 20 hahahaha Now I drink a RedBull in the morning I dont sleep at night.

[*Admin*]

OK so what is the actual stack......forgive me, I always took so much tren and gh I never needed this crap

E- ephedrine
C- caffeine
A- aspirin

[charger69]

E- ephedrine
C- caffeine
A- aspirin

BG- I have read that the aspirin really doesn’t have any effect unless you are obese. I used to just use an EC stack...... however these are stimulants and should be taken caringly. .....:::..... Says the old man that suffered afib.
You want to get really hopped up... T3, clen, EPhedrine, and caffeine. Almost guaranteed a trip to the ER. LOL


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[slfmade]

OK so what is the actual stack......forgive me, I always took so much tren and gh I never needed this crap

Me too and I had a bad pre-workout issue, it probably did more damage then all the coke I did when I was 20 hahahaha Now I drink a RedBull in the morning I dont sleep at night.

So I base my ECA stacks off the old school Ripped Fuel and Xenadrine from the late 90's/early 2000's before the ban. The glory days of thermogenics for me. These were amazing and the last OTC weight loss supplements that actually worked for people that didn't simultaneously make you shit your pants. This was around the same time as mini-thins for those of you that remember those. Same principals, different markets.

Ephedrine (Pseudoephedrine) 20-25mg. *In the US you can buy these behind the counter without a prescription, at least in my state. They will take your ID and run a check to make sure you're not buying more than a couple of boxes a month. This is in an effort to make sure you're not using it to compound and manufacture meth. You can get it at Walgreens in either Sudafed or Primatene. The Primatene comes in 12.5mg doses, so this may be best for you to begin with. If buying it in the Sudafed version, make sure to buy the immediate release and not the extended-release. Theoretically, the extended-release (12hr) would work better for dieting, but I can't feel a damn thing on it as opposed to the immediate release that ruins my appetite (yay!) and fires me up. The Sudafed is tiny red pills that come in 30mg of active ingredient pseudoephedrine I think (it's been a long time since I've got them). Now I get Mucinex for Colds, which is another you can use that uses ephedrine, but it's significantly more expensive. If you go with Mucinex, it comes in many forms, you want Mucinex D, I think. And this is a good general rule for all of these cold medicines. Always make sure it's the behind the counter stuff because they've all come out with shitty versions with ingredients that sound like ephedrine, but in no way work the same. Just go to the pharmacy, and tell them "I'd like some Sudafed or Primatene, the good stuff, the bronchodilator, with the ephedrine please - the behind the counter stuff". They'll know what you want. I'm serious. That's how I ask for it. This is at the same place I get my prescription narcotics from and nobody bats an eye as long as I'm not trying to buy 50 boxes a month.

***Keep in mind that Ephedrine is similar to Clen in the sense that they both fairly quickly down-regulate beta2 receptors so 2 weeks on 2 weeks off protocol is necessary IF you're dosing it throughout the day in order to upregulate b2 receptors and keep it effective (though some will argue you can go longer). If you're using it as a preworkout, I don't think this is necessary. Whereas Clen is an exclusive b2 agonist, ephedrine stimulates both alpha and beta. Because of its effects on alpha, I'm not sure if running ketotifen would upregulate as needed - I'm thinking it would only upregulate b2 receptors and do nothing for alpha, but my research in this area is about 12 years old and my understanding of even simple pathophysiology was seriously lacking back then so you may want to dig a bit deeper if you're thinking about going that route. I'd probably just stick to 2 on 2 off.

Caffeine - 100-250mg - Dose is your call. I get Jet Alert Brand from Walmart. It's dirt cheap - something like 2 bucks a bottle and has a ton of pills in it. I think it's dosed at 200-250mg, but it's perfed and easy to split. I take the whole thing.

Aspirin - 81mg - I never was super clear as to the reason for this. I mean, it's obviously to thin your blood. I was just never sure if it was as a safety precaution or to provide a synergistic role. Either way, take it for the safety profile as it only makes sense that if you're increasing your cardiac output that you would want your blood a bit thinner in case of clots and...blah blah blah.

When I do mine I run 25/250/81 or 20/200/81 depending on what brand of products I have. I'd start lower for you since, like with all things in this world, you want to see how you respond first. (See, all you new people reading this. Same advise applies to even the most seasoned vets - start low and increase the dose after learning your body response) We like you here and would rather your heart not blow up.

If you're wanting to get serious about weight loss though. I'll tell you what you need to do. I've lost 40lbs in just over 2 months now. You'll need a prescription because I don't know of any UGL sources that sell it, but assuming you have no preexisting conditions that would otherwise exclude you from the meds and your BMI is over 27% (which for most of us that carry muscle, it is) then you'll qualify. Anyway, It's phentermine and Topamax. The phentermine is a stimulant and Topamax is an anticonvulsant that is used to treat seizures and migraines; however, FDA has given the approval to be used in a combination med along with phentermine for weight loss and people are getting insane results. But you don't want the combination med. I mean, you do. But you want them separate so you can dose it your way - similar to buying your test and tren separate instead of as a 100/100 combo. Anyway, I can talk more about that later if you care to know more.

[Gallowmere]

So I base my ECA stacks off the old school Ripped Fuel and Xenadrine from the late 90's/early 2000's before the ban. The glory days of thermogenics for me. These were amazing and the last OTC weight loss supplements that actually worked for people that didn't simultaneously make you shit your pants. This was around the same time as mini-thins for those of you that remember those. Same principals, different markets.

Ephedrine (Pseudoephedrine) 20-25mg. *In the US you can buy these behind the counter without a prescription, at least in my state. They will take your ID and run a check to make sure you're not buying more than a couple of boxes a month. This is in an effort to make sure you're not using it to compound and manufacture meth. You can get it at Walgreens in either Sudafed or Primatene. The Primatene comes in 12.5mg doses, so this may be best for you to begin with. If buying it in the Sudafed version, make sure to buy the immediate release and not the extended-release. Theoretically, the extended-release (12hr) would work better for dieting, but I can't feel a damn thing on it as opposed to the immediate release that ruins my appetite (yay!) and fires me up. The Sudafed is tiny red pills that come in 30mg of active ingredient pseudoephedrine I think (it's been a long time since I've got them). Now I get Mucinex for Colds, which is another you can use that uses ephedrine, but it's significantly more expensive. If you go with Mucinex, it comes in many forms, you want Mucinex D, I think. And this is a good general rule for all of these cold medicines. Always make sure it's the behind the counter stuff because they've all come out with shitty versions with ingredients that sound like ephedrine, but in no way work the same. Just go to the pharmacy, and tell them "I'd like some Sudafed or Primatene, the good stuff, the bronchodilator, with the ephedrine please - the behind the counter stuff". They'll know what you want. I'm serious. That's how I ask for it. This is at the same place I get my prescription narcotics from and nobody bats an eye as long as I'm not trying to buy 50 boxes a month.

***Keep in mind that Ephedrine is similar to Clen in the sense that they both fairly quickly down-regulate beta2 receptors so 2 weeks on 2 weeks off protocol is necessary IF you're dosing it throughout the day in order to upregulate b2 receptors and keep it effective (though some will argue you can go longer). If you're using it as a preworkout, I don't think this is necessary. Whereas Clen is an exclusive b2 agonist, ephedrine stimulates both alpha and beta. Because of its effects on alpha, I'm not sure if running ketotifen would upregulate as needed - I'm thinking it would only upregulate b2 receptors and do nothing for alpha, but my research in this area is about 12 years old and my understanding of even simple pathophysiology was seriously lacking back then so you may want to dig a bit deeper if you're thinking about going that route. I'd probably just stick to 2 on 2 off.

Caffeine - 100-250mg - Dose is your call. I get Jet Alert Brand from Walmart. It's dirt cheap - something like 2 bucks a bottle and has a ton of pills in it. I think it's dosed at 200-250mg, but it's perfed and easy to split. I take the whole thing.

Aspirin - 81mg - I never was super clear as to the reason for this. I mean, it's obviously to thin your blood. I was just never sure if it was as a safety precaution or to provide a synergistic role. Either way, take it for the safety profile as it only makes sense that if you're increasing your cardiac output that you would want your blood a bit thinner in case of clots and...blah blah blah.

When I do mine I run 25/250/81 or 20/200/81 depending on what brand of products I have. I'd start lower for you since, like with all things in this world, you want to see how you respond first. (See, all you new people reading this. Same advise applies to even the most seasoned vets - start low and increase the dose after learning your body response) We like you here and would rather your heart not blow up.

If you're wanting to get serious about weight loss though. I'll tell you what you need to do. I've lost 40lbs in just over 2 months now. You'll need a prescription because I don't know of any UGL sources that sell it, but assuming you have no preexisting conditions that would otherwise exclude you from the meds and your BMI is over 27% (which for most of us that carry muscle, it is) then you'll qualify. Anyway, It's phentermine and Topamax. The phentermine is a stimulant and Topamax is an anticonvulsant that is used to treat seizures and migraines; however, FDA has given the approval to be used in a combination med along with phentermine for weight loss and people are getting insane results. But you don't want the combination med. I mean, you do. But you want them separate so you can dose it your way - similar to buying your test and tren separate instead of as a 100/100 combo. Anyway, I can talk more about that later if you care to know more.

The 81mg of aspirin was dropped later. It turned out that it’s positive effect on body composition only shows up in the stack when it’s used by morbidly people with stupid high bodyfats (30+%). I have a feeling that this has to do with how systemically inflamed and fucked up they are. Kinda how Ibuprofen has shown positive effects on MPS in the elderly (65+), but shit tanks it in healthy, trained individuals.
It’s one of those wonky things where population specificity is important. That said, the aspirin isn’t blunting to the same degree as ibuprofen, and if someone’s running gear, it’s a solid addition anyway

[tarmyg]

phentermine and Topamax. The phentermine is a stimulant and Topamax is an anticonvulsant that is used to treat seizures and migraines; however, FDA has given the approval to be used in a combination med along with phentermine for weight loss and people are getting insane results. But you don't want the combination med. I mean, you do. But you want them separate so you can dose it your way - similar to buying your test and tren separate instead of as a 100/100 combo. Anyway, I can talk more about that later if you care to know more.

Never heard of this. What dosing protocol would one want to start with? 0 chance I am finding that here in country I'm now anyways.

[slfmade]

Never heard of this. What dosing protocol would one want to start with? 0 chance I am finding that here in country I'm now anyways.

I don't know how prescriptions work in Sweden but you should ask your doctor about it. It's not an abused drug so as long as you make a good argument for it...

For the phentermine, I take a 37.5 mg tab daily. In the beginning, I split the dosage and did half in the morning and half around 2pm but now I take the full tab in the am. Its like a smooth clen or ephedrine without all the nasty sides. I have great mental clarity like with Adderall. I don't get headaches like with clen. I'm only slightly jittery, far less than both clen and ephedrine. I feel far less wired and strung out than I am with ephedrine...I still like ECA best for a pre-workout for this reason.

With the topamax (topiramate) I take a 50mg tab twice a day. One in the morning and one about 2 or 3. This crushes my appetite. I'm the kind of guy that likes to eat until I'm stuffed like a pig and I honestly think I could go days without food with these meds. It's the first time I've ever done portion control and been happy about it. Haha

It really is an awesome combo. I can't sing it's praises enough. My only issue is I think the protocol is reaching. Protocol says that you can stay on the phentermine for 3 months on before taking a one month break. However, like clen it's a beta2 agonist and we all know, and I can tell from personal experience, that receptor down regulation happens far quicker than 3 months. In my experience though ..not as fast as clen. I feel like I get a solid 6 weeks before diminishing returns. My NP is cool though, she lets me run my own protocol and just writes my scripts however I want her to. So for now my plan is to keep going with 6 weeks on 4 weeks off off phentermine and run the topamax year round for the rest of my life. Assuming I can keep her as my provider... technically it's only indicated if your BMI is over 27%. For me at 5'9, that's 183lbs. So I'm either gonna have to add a lot of muscle or not drop below about 8% bf. Lol who am I kidding. I'm gonna be on topamax forever.

[SampsonandDelilah]

OK so what is the actual stack......forgive me, I always took so much tren and gh I never needed this crap

Me too and I had a bad pre-workout issue, it probably did more damage then all the coke I did when I was 20 hahahaha Now I drink a RedBull in the morning I dont sleep at night.

Dude, we might be related.