Advice on first cycle

[Abt]

He's running test c. He's not even going to start seeing its effects for 5 weeks.

Yes he will lol, he will feel like pure shit those last weeks. They are not effective. Keep the cycles short.

If he goes for 10 weeks he will feel the effects for 12 weeks.


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[DustMan]

Yes he will lol, he will feel like pure shit those last weeks. They are not effective. Keep the cycles short.

If he goes for 10 weeks he will feel the effects for 12 weeks.


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Why would you feel like shit the last few weeks of a cycle if you haven't changed anything about the protocol?

[Abt]

Why would you feel like shit the last few weeks of a cycle if you haven't changed anything about the protocol?

his e2 will go up, he will put on alot of water weight, his body also needs to adapt slowly to his new mass, his body will tire out and he will just feel like shit. Better off keeping it like 8-10 weeks.

He probably will do other cycles after, he could extend it in those cycles if he wants

[DustMan]

his e2 will go up, he will put on alot of water weight, his body also needs to adapt slowly to his new mass, his body will tire out and he will just feel like shit. Better off keeping it like 8-10 weeks.

He probably will do other cycles after, he could extend it in those cycles if he wants

The 8-10 weeks might be fine advice, but your reasoning is all horse shit.

Once his blood levels normalize (4-6 weeks) his e2 isn't going up anymore, that's just wrong. No extra e2 means no additional water weight. Adapting to new mass is also made up baloney. Tiring out from more mass is possible sure, because he has more mass to send blood to, except he's on fucking juice he's not going to get tired he's gonna feel like superman so that's also ridiculous, and even if it wasn't being a little extra tired doesn't mean you should cut your cycle 4 weeks early.

Leave the broscience at the door and go do some reading.

[Honkey_Kong]

First cycle is for establishing starting blood levels, following proper eating and pinning plan, verifing test cycles at midway point along with E2, following the recovery portion and compare to baseline.

If your thoughts are to gains on first cycle your mindset is wrong. Gains will happen first cycle no matter what. Understanding your bloodwork and verification of recovery is everything.

Unsure why this is no longer preached here. Austin made everyone recite the 500/week 8 week first cycle when i started.

Your first cycle isn't a dress-rehearsal. You should already have figured your diet, pinning days, when to get bloodwork done and your PCT. As far as 8 weeks on a long estered test goes, it's going to take 4-5 weeks before you even start noticing it to work (about the time it takes for your levels to stabilize).

Yes he will lol, he will feel like pure shit those last weeks. They are not effective. Keep the cycles short.

If he goes for 10 weeks he will feel the effects for 12 weeks.


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His E2 level is going to be stable once his test levels stabilize. He's going to feel fine those last weeks. If he were running a short ester like test p, it'd kick in sooner and he'd get his diminishing results sooner and then his cycle should be shorter. But he's running a long ester that doesn't kick in until later and he's not going to start getting diminishing returns until later. So a 12-14 week is fine.