Feeling very ill, is it the tren?

[jstone]

That seems logical if you enjoy the spike and trough of short esters.
When you pin a short ester compound the active hormone once it is cleaved from its ester, hits your bloodstream in a torent then due to its short half life it then steadily declines until the next pinning. This causes more issues than a long ester in the general population. If this theory is in correct, try asking your endocrinogist or similiar for a trt script of test prop.

Users go wrong when they jump on the internet and start taking advice from strangers and gurus who have completely different hx and physiology than them, and start on doses that imho are waaay too high.
As an old school trainee and coach I believe doses are overall ridiculously high.
Keep it safe, take your time and start low. A methodical approach is needed with tren to gain consistant results from tren in general. Even by changing injection sites you alter the protocol.
I started on 125mg tren e and the same of test e. After many cycles I stay at 375mg tren e and 125 test. As for sides, minimal and nothing compared to prop or sust flu.

the spike and trough happens regardless of ester. short esters only have this problem if your not dosing properly. most people who have run both ace and enth say they have far more sides using enth.

i agree most doses are much higher than they should be, but there is some low quality shit floating around that contributes to this as well. like when you see people running 100mg of dbol when 30mg of blue hearts is enough for most people until there well above 200lbs.

[Lethal Hamburger]

the spike and trough happens regardless of ester. short esters only have this problem if your not dosing properly. most people who have run both ace and enth say they have far more sides using enth.

i agree most doses are much higher than they should be, but there is some low quality shit floating around that contributes to this as well. like when you see people running 100mg of dbol when 30mg of blue hearts is enough for most people until there well above 200lbs.

It is true that the spike and trough happens regardless of ester but the often omitted and vital factor is that the spike and trough is more pronounced in short ester compounds so too are sides if dosing is high enough. Yes that is correct, dosing would then need to be adjusted (upwards) as you need higher amounts to buffer the faster decline of a short ester within the cer time frame.
The end result is the body sees are higher level of hormone and lower level of hormone more frequently compared to long esters. This has been the reason why trt compounds have stayed in long ester form.

I gather the reason for users complaints of long esters is that they dose too high, then when peak blood levels are achieved its a case of too much compound becoming available and holding over a steady period.

I agree on the underdosing 100% That can create chaos with any protocol and is the curse attached with the illegality involving aas sale and use (depending on country).