Nah, no more "no AI" for me

[Chicagotarsier]

I just don't understand how some can get away with not using an AI? You'v got test levels in the thousands circulating through your blood converting to
oestrogen with no back up? High oestrogen levels cause problems in men and I think those issues don't always manifest during or just after a cycle. I believe prolonged exposure to high levels of oestrogen lead to complications down the line, namely prostate related.

The whole let estrogen be what it will be is definately a meathead thing said by people who cannot afford Aromasin. I say Aromasin because the top reason people hate AI is they OD with Letro. Second reason to hate AI is "cannot afford it and eat".

You are correct on the prostrate. It also severely impacts the heart longterm. I am willing to bet the same people saying no AI are on the sleep issue thread.

[Gallowmere]

The whole let estrogen be what it will be is definately a meathead thing said by people who cannot afford Aromasin. I say Aromasin because the top reason people hate AI is they OD with Letro. Second reason to hate AI is "cannot afford it and eat".

You are correct on the prostrate. It also severely impacts the heart longterm. I am willing to bet the same people saying no AI are on the sleep issue thread.

Yeap, estrogen clearly destroys the heart, which is why we see women suddenly have a five fold increase in CV event starting immediately after menopause.
Stop basing your thoughts on shitty studies from the 60s and 70s that have been repeatedly disproven, both clinically and through trials. Higher levels of estrogen in men are only problematic when the ratio is fucked, like we see in severely obese males. Hell, even then, there are a lot more systemic issues at play than just the T:E ratio, so fingering any single one of them is disingenuous at best.

[Chark]

The whole let estrogen be what it will be is definately a meathead thing said by people who cannot afford Aromasin. I say Aromasin because the top reason people hate AI is they OD with Letro. Second reason to hate AI is "cannot afford it and eat".

You are correct on the prostrate. It also severely impacts the heart longterm. I am willing to bet the same people saying no AI are on the sleep issue thread.

There are better ways of getting your point across than discounting a different view than your own by calling people broke meatheads. Your wording sounds very certain. Would you mind explaining?

[charger69]

There are better ways of getting your point across than discounting a different view than your own by calling people broke meatheads. Your wording sounds very certain. Would you mind explaining?

It’s obvious he is going off what he has read and has no experience. I have tried it and it works.
I used to have his point of view so I do understand it.


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[Test Monsterone]

The whole let estrogen be what it will be is definately a meathead thing said by people who cannot afford Aromasin. I say Aromasin because the top reason people hate AI is they OD with Letro. Second reason to hate AI is "cannot afford it and eat".

You are correct on the prostrate. It also severely impacts the heart longterm. I am willing to bet the same people saying no AI are on the sleep issue thread.

Hell, I started both threads


I have noticed I get better sleep since I upped my AI, but it may just be a coincidence. I think everyone reacts differently to estrogen. It can be good for 9 things out of 10, but be really bad for that 1 thing. I personally feel better with an AI, physically and mentally.

[SampsonandDelilah]

The whole let estrogen be what it will be is definately a meathead thing said by people who cannot afford Aromasin. I say Aromasin because the top reason people hate AI is they OD with Letro. Second reason to hate AI is "cannot afford it and eat".

You are correct on the prostrate. It also severely impacts the heart longterm. I am willing to bet the same people saying no AI are on the sleep issue thread.

The thing to not lose sight of (and I say it time and time again) is that we are all wired so differently. So much of what we read is anecdotal because let’s face it, a lot of it is bro science and trial and error.

There are certain blueprints in place, but the probability of variability is enormous. The way we interact with hormones is no different than how we interact with food.

Think of the guy that smokes 4 packs a day and lives on bacon and dies peacefully in his sleep at 90, versus the guy that never had had a cigarette in his life and dies of lung cancer in his 50’s. Or the marathon runner who eats nothing but veggies and drops dead on the track from a heart attack.

[< <Samson> >]

Think of the guy that smokes 4 packs a day and lives on bacon

How do you know my father in law?!

Totally amazing, the guy is 77 - and, this exact image. Lives darn near off the land, smokes at least 2 packs a day & never drinks water - instead polishes off 12 packs at a time - still alive, 100% - her grandma is the same, just doesn’t smoke

And, I’m here in shambles at half the age


I def learned that life is not fare - at all, never will be.


No need to speak ill of the old - but, both of these folks are far from perfect - considering we were raising my wife’s sisters half of their lives - who also can care less about what we did for them now

The only thing seems to stand - “only the good die young”


I’m done being good -