So whats your take on this?

[redz]

Just do you know health care in Canada is brutal and at 200k income you pay 54% income tax. I’d rather pay the premium and get quality health care, Canada’s health care is terrible. Even at 100k you pay around 45%. In Ontario there is also an additional premium for health care too that is deducted. Add to that 13% sales tax on everything. I’d trade this for the US model any day....

[Hughinn]

Just do you know health care in Canada is brutal and at 200k income you pay 54% income tax. I’d rather pay the premium and get quality health care, Canada’s health care is terrible. Even at 100k you pay around 45%. In Ontario there is also an additional premium for health care too that is deducted. Add to that 13% sales tax on everything. I’d trade this for the US model any day....

That's my point exactly sir, and thank you for your input.

More government involvement in such cases does not reduce the cost of Healthcare for the nation as a whole.

Which is exactly why I oppose any sort of government run universal Healthcare.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

That's my point exactly sir, and thank you for your input.

More government involvement in such cases does not reduce the cost of Healthcare for the nation as a whole.

Which is exactly why I oppose any sort of government run universal Healthcare.

Perhaps you didn't look at the charts.

In Canada it costs $5,418 per person per year for healthcare.
In the US it costs $10,966 per person per year for healthcare.

Every single country with universal healthcare has a lower cost per person than the US.
The US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

So maybe it is our government that is the problem.
Maybe the idea of universal healthcare isn't the problem.



Note: Canada is on those charts.


Please note that the US already provides universal healthcare to many in the US... think teachers, policeman, firefighters, Senators, Reps, Presidents, etc...

[Hughinn]

Perhaps you didn't look at the charts.

In Canada it costs $5,418 per person per year for healthcare.
In the US it costs $10,966 per person per year for healthcare.

Every single country with universal healthcare has a lower cost per person than the US.
The US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

So maybe it is our government that is the problem.
Maybe the idea of universal healthcare isn't the problem.



Note: Canada is on those charts.


Please note that the US already provides universal healthcare to many in the US... think teachers, policeman, firefighters, Senators, Reps, Presidents, etc...

I seen the charts.

But the guys who live in Canada, also mostly say they'd trade their Healthcare for ours so....

My point was that a solid argument can be made,, that over regulation, and government restrictions and mandates on insurance and Healthcare providers are exactly what made it so expensive to begin with. Just look at all horsecrap one has to go through in America for what is a simple procedure anywhere else. Just look at the obamacare effect. Insurance companies got exponentially richer, Healthcare got more expensive and the quality got worse.

Accordingly, it's my opinion that less government involvement is a much more practical way to lower the cost. Rather than more involvement, which has already had a detrimental effect. On that point we agree. Our government is the problem with Healthcare. Not the idea of universal health care. I actually do see some sense in certain universal aspects of Healthcare.

Why put them in total control? They haven't shown themselves capable of so much as fixing potholes efficiently.

That just doesn't make sense to me. But, thats just my opinion based on what I can see. I'm just a simple minded mfer that when I see lightning and hear thunder, intake it as part of the same storm.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I seen the charts.

But the guys One guy... not multiple guys. who live in Canada, also mostly say they'd trade their Healthcare for ours so.... Said he would trade for our healthcare and our lower taxes. Not sure why he is staying in Canada. I am not sure why the tax rate is high in Canada. But I do know it isn't only because of healthcare because their healthcare is half the cost of ours...

My point was that a solid argument can be made,, that over regulation, and government restrictions and mandates on insurance and Healthcare providers are exactly what made it so expensive to begin with. Agreed but I am sure there are other factors such as legal costs. Just look at all horsecrap one has to go through in America for what is a simple procedure anywhere else.

Accordingly, it's my opinion that less government involvement is a much more practical way to lower the cost. Rather than more involvement, which has already had a detrimental effect. On that point we agree. Our government is the problem with Healthcare. Not the idea of universal health care

Why put them in total control? I have never said to put them in total control. Let them pay for universal healthcare with a private option. If Joe Blow wants fancier/quicker/better treatment than pay for it. If some poor kid needs a check-up, then it should be free. They government can pay for the check-up which he receives at a private doctor. They haven't shown themselves capable of so much as fixing potholes efficiently.

That just doesn't make sense to me. But, thats just my opinion based on what I can see. I'm just a simple minded mfer that when I see lightning and hear thunder, intake it as part of the same storm.

I hate the government in many the same ways you do.
The government is run by people. People can be corrupt.
My thoughts aren't to get rid of government as much as get rid of the corruption. (I do realize that will never fully happen.)

And I do understand people who have the view of having a smaller government simply because it is corrupt.
But, the private industry is also corrupt. Less government doesn't equal less corruption. It just shifts it elsewhere.