Biden administration suppressing political dissenters as "domestic terrorists"

[Hughinn]

The thread is about a man who got arrested by the FBI for threats of violence.
Threats of violence are not protected under the first amendment.

You can argue that threats of violence should be allowed.
or...
You can argue that he didn't make threats of violence.

I personally don't think threats of violence should be allowed.
I also trust that the FBI had more information on this man than you.


In case you didn't read it the first time:
II. PROBABLECAUSE

3. On October 8,2020, the FBI was notified that BAKER was threatening
the use of violence in the United States and was using social media to recruit and
train like-minded individuals in furtherance of his Anti-Govemment or Anti-Authority Violent Extremism Ideology.
Authority Violent Extremism Ideology. BAKER has made multiple violent threats
to those he claims are white supremacists, fascists, United States persons with
different ideologies than his, and allies of the United States. In addition, BAKER
has promoted the killing of United States military officers.


https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndfl/pr...55291/download

The problem is that it's unclear as to who makes such determinations.

Liberal celebrities and politicians have often advocated violence and hostility toward other american citizens they happen to disagree with. Often openly.

It's either free speech or it's not. It shouldn't be selectively applied and called fair. Because it's not.

I'm not pretending to know why the law was applied to this baker guy but not others. I have no idea. I'm one of those people who thinks the law ought to apply evenly to everyone, regardless of personal belief, political affiliation,bbank accounts or skin color.

Because the point of this thread, as stated in the title is the biden administration supressing political dissent.

And that's not deflection. I see nothing stated above as being unique from this baker or many other anifa or BLM activist speech as far as recruiting or anything else.

It's the selective application of what the current administration considers free speech that's in question. Not, the justification of the FBI for arresting him. Because they take their orders from the administration.

As far as the debate you can think you "won" or whatever all you want. I'm not trying to win anything, and I'm not looking to personally insult or demean anyone. Just asking questions and pointing out discrepancy.

I'll let those reading the thread decide.

It's only my opinion, that when you allow a political party to decide what is free speech and what is hostile criminal language in line with what helps them and what doesn't, then you've effectively cancelled true freedom of speech

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The problem is that it's unclear as to who makes such determinations. Ultimately the courts decide.

Liberal celebrities and politicians have often advocated violence and hostility toward other american citizens they happen to disagree with. Often openly.

It's either free speech or it's not. It shouldn't be selectively applied and called fair. Because it's not.

I'm not pretending to know why the law was applied to this baker guy but not others. I have no idea. I'm one of those people who thinks the law ought to apply evenly to everyone, regardless of personal belief, political affiliation,bbank accounts or skin color.

Because the point of this thread, as stated in the title is the biden administration supressing political dissent. I don't care what he titled it. He could call it pigs fucking sheep for all that matters. He presented a article that complains about the FBI arresting a man who threatened violence.

And that's not deflection. I see nothing stated above as being unique from this baker or many other anifa or BLM activist speech as far as recruiting or anything else. Perhaps Biden is tougher on crime than the "Law and Order" President.

It's the selective application of what the current administration considers free speech that's in question. Not, the justification of the FBI for arresting him. Because they take their orders from the administration. see below

As far as the debate you can think you "won" or whatever all you want. I'm not trying to win anything, and I'm not looking to personally insult or demean anyone. Just asking questions and pointing out discrepancy.

I'll let those reading the thread decide.

It's only my opinion, that when you allow a political party to decide what is free speech and what is hostile criminal language in line with what helps them and what doesn't, then you've effectively cancelled true freedom of speech

You claim that the FBI takes their orders from the administration.
You also bitch and moan about the riots under Trump presidency.

Riddle me this...
If the FBI is controlled by the President...
Why didn't Trump use the FBI to crack down on the violence?

I am OK with Biden cracking down on extremism, whether left or right.

But if you complain again about the riots then please realize that by your own logic Trump is at fault.

Trump wanted the riots to continue because he knew it bettered his chance for re-election.
But alas... he lost. Bigly.

Note: Trump's FBI even said the election was fair.

Different administrations focus on different things.
Trump built 25% of a wall to protect us from thugs and rapists.
Biden seems to be focusing on extremism that has exploded in size since Obama became President.
Many people disliked the idea of the wall.
You are free to dislike the idea on cracking down on violent extremism.
Write your congressman and vote.

[Hughinn]

You claim that the FBI takes their orders from the administration.
You also bitch and moan about the riots under Trump presidency.

Riddle me this...
If the FBI is controlled by the President...
Why didn't Trump use the FBI to crack down on the violence?

I am OK with Biden cracking down on extremism, whether left or right.

But if you complain again about the riots then please realize that by your own logic Trump is at fault.

Trump wanted the riots to continue because he knew it bettered his chance for re-election.
But alas... he lost. Bigly.

Note: Trump's FBI even said the election was fair.

Different administrations focus on different things.
Trump built 25% of a wall to protect us from thugs and rapists.
Biden seems to be focusing on extremism that has exploded in size since Obama became President.
Many people disliked the idea of the wall.
You are free to dislike the idea on cracking down on violent extremism.
Write your congressman and vote.

Biden seems to be focusing on extremism that has exploded in size since Obama became President.


I think the thing that puzzles most Americans, is why the biden administration has prioritized persecuting some Americans for having different opinions, instead of bringing prosperity to all Americans.

"Combating extremists" is one thing, because extremists and violent activist's exist all across the political spectrum. Targeting specific people not based not on the propensity for violence, but upon their specific opinions is quite another.

I think most Americans could swallow Biden chasing the boogeymen instead of bringing prosperity to all Americans. If he was chasing extremists on all sides with equal zeal, instead of using it as an excuse to harass his political opposition. Because if that's the priority of the biden administration and the people who support him, instead of bringing prosperity to all Americans, then America as one nation is done.

If our leaders refuse to apply the law equally and without bias to all Americans, the the basic tenets of our democracy has become a chimera. A lie. And that's certainly not worth celebrating, and definitely not worth defending. Because we either all have equal liberty to live the way we want, or none of us do. And we're all just serf's to the people who rule us.
If elected officials can use the power of public office to go after, spy upon, monitor, silence, censor and harass those who disagree with them in order to keep themselves in power, then we do not have a democracy. We have a facist despot.

[DustMan]

Extremism is not equal on either side, nor is it equally justified.

Acting extremist because you have been tricked by your media into believing a lie is not the same as acting extremist because you have suffered hundreds of years of systematic racism. One group has no justification, and is violent for the sake of their poisonous beliefs being threatened, the other has justification, and has spent the last year being identified by the other group as extremist when 99% of their protests are peaceful.

The amount of violence peaceful protesters have withstood at the hands of law enforcement is substantially higher than the amount of violence conducted by the group protesting, meanwhile rightwing violence and intimidation is the status quo for their gatherings rather than peaceful protest, and yet law enforcement lets them off the hook, do you know why? Because those with authoritarian or right wing beliefs disproportionally represent law enforcement.

Hughinn, I'm not writing any of this to you specifically, I'm writing it because it needs to be written. You are not interested in the truth, you are interested in reinforcing your own belief, it's called confirmation bias.

[Hughinn]

Extremism is not equal on either side, nor is it equally justified.

Acting extremist because you have been tricked by your media into believing a lie is not the same as acting extremist because you have suffered hundreds of years of systematic racism. One group has no justification, and is violent for the sake of their poisonous beliefs being threatened, the other has justification, and has spent the last year being identified by the other group as extremist when 99% of their protests are peaceful.

The amount of violence peaceful protesters have withstood at the hands of law enforcement is substantially higher than the amount of violence conducted by the group protesting, meanwhile rightwing violence is the status quo for their gatherings rather than peaceful protest, and yet law enforcement lets them off the hook, do you know why? Because those with authoritarian or right wing beliefs disproportionally represent law enforcement.

Hughinn, I'm not writing any of this to you specifically, I'm writing it because it needs to be written. You are not interested in the truth, you are interested in reinforcing your own belief, it's called confirmation bias.

You're suggesting that rioting and violence is justified because of past history and current political beliefs. It's simple.

Then your condemning it on the other side, also based in political beliefs. Because those beliefs to you, are not worth justification.

Then calling me delusional.

When what I'm saying is that the law applies equally to everybody, or else it doesn't work for anybody. Regardless of beliefs,bank accounts,colors or history

I'll let those reading here decide who's delusional

[DustMan]

You missed everything I said, either because you're too emotional to think straight, because you feel insulted, or because you are not interested in knowing the truth.

As I said, the group you are backing has been misrepresenting the BLM movement, 99% of BLM protests are peaceful, and yet the majority of right wing "protests" are intentionally violent, or have the intention of intimidating civilians, the two are not equal, and you "pretending" that they are is as transparent as it gets.

[Hughinn]

You missed everything I said, either because you're too emotional to think straight, because you feel insulted, or because you are not interested in knowing the truth.

As I said, the group you are backing has been misrepresenting the BLM movement, 99% of BLM protests are peaceful, and yet the majority of right wing "protests" are intentionally violent, or have the intention of intimidating civilians, the two are not equal, and you "pretending" that they are is as transparent as it gets.

I'm not emotional about it at all bud.

I'm willing to bet the majority of right wing protests are also peaceful.

I'm saying that either the law is against violent extremists, or it's not.

It shouldn't make distinctions based on political beliefs and selectively choose who to persecute based on those beliefs. Or thier political benefits by pursuing one over the other.

Unlike yourself, my opinion is that the law ought to be applied completely without such bias. And be soley targeted at the actions of individuals. Because beliefs and opinions, regardless of what they are, or who espouses them, are not crimes.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Biden seems to be focusing on extremism that has exploded in size since Obama became President.


I think the thing that puzzles most Americans, Not most Americans. You yes. is why the biden administration has prioritized persecuting some Americans for having different opinions Wrong. For making violent threats or violent plots, instead of bringing prosperity to all Americans. He is also focusing on bringing prosperity to ALL Americans.

"Combating extremists" is one thing, because extremists and violent activist's exist all across the political spectrum. Targeting specific people not based not on the propensity for violence, but upon their specific opinions is quite another. He isn't targeting specific opinions. He is targeting violent extremism.

I think most Americans could swallow Biden chasing the boogeymen instead of bringing prosperity to all Americans. He is doing both. And your so called "boogeyman" was just in the Capitol waving a confederate flag while chanting "Kill Mike Pence". If he was chasing extremists on all sides with equal zeal, instead of using it as an excuse to harass his political opposition. For fuck's sake. This thread is about him targeting a leftist. Are you claiming he is only attacking the left? Because if that's the priority of the biden administration and the people who support him, instead of bringing prosperity to all Americans, then America as one nation is done. America is alive and bleeding. Trumpism nearly killed it. Don't know if you realize by the Trumpers were actively attempting to overturn the constitution. All because they were sad they lost an election.

If our leaders refuse to apply the law equally and without bias to all Americans, the the basic tenets of our democracy has become a chimera. A lie. And that's certainly not worth celebrating, and definitely not worth defending. Because we either all have equal liberty to live the way we want, or none of us do. And we're all just serf's to the people who rule us.
If elected officials can use the power of public office to go after, spy upon, monitor, silence, censor and harass those who disagree with them in order to keep themselves in power, then we do not have a democracy. We have a facist despot.

Bogeyman
The Bogeyman (/ˈbəʊɡimæn, ˈboʊɡi-/;[1] also spelled boogeyman, bogyman, bogieman, boogie monster, boogie man, or boogie woogie) is a type of mythical creature used by adults to frighten children into good behavior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

The "boogeyman" is alive in Amercia.

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Please stop pretending it doesn't exist.

It's fucking sickening.

And yes... there are leftist versions also...

The good damn Trumpers drank the voter fraud kool-aid are quite literally tried to overturn the election results.
It happened.
It's real.



Disclaimers:
I am no way am claiming that all Trumpers are neo-nazis or that they approved of the insurrection.

[Hughinn]

Bogeyman
The Bogeyman (/ˈbəʊɡimæn, ˈboʊɡi-/;[1] also spelled boogeyman, bogyman, bogieman, boogie monster, boogie man, or boogie woogie) is a type of mythical creature used by adults to frighten children into good behavior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

The "boogeyman" is alive in Amercia.

Attachment 180670 Attachment 180671 Attachment 180672 Attachment 180673 Attachment 180674

Please stop pretending it doesn't exist.

It's fucking sickening.

And yes... there are leftist versions also...

The good damn Trumpers drank the voter fraud kool-aid are quite literally tried to overturn the election results.
It happened.
It's real.



Disclaimers:
I am no way am claiming that all Trumpers are neo-nazis or that they approved of the insurrection.

I laughed when I read that.

I've never once denied that supremecy and supremests didn't exist and weren't one of the biggest problems facing our nation and society. Because they do exist and they continue to cause problems and divide us.

The difference between you and I, is that I see the nonsense in believing the problem with our society is a bunch of racist idiots living in trailer parks on the outskirts of town and struggling to stay alive in places like idaho and rural nebraska and montana. That somehow that those broke fools are responsible for low test scores in inner city schools they don't attend, and that it's thier fault the government in states they don't run or live in are failing, and somehow it's those broke, often destitute and ignorant fools whose "privilege" is a threat to us all. To a logical man, nothing could be more ludacris.

Because I understand the real supremecy and supremests culture is in silicon valley, hollywood,wall street, park avenue and washing DC. That's where the most powerful, privileged and wealthy supremacists in the world shape our lives the way they see fit. Policing the world from the decadence and comfort of thier fortified compounds. Siphoning and stealing with impunity from those who earn what little they have by thier own sweat and toil. Those people don't kill a man to rob him. They kill tens of thousands and rob the wealth of entire nations. You steal from them, it's larceny, they steal from us, it's just business. In essence they "purchase" the wealth of such conquered nations, paying for it in the blood of those they rule over, ours, because to them, we are lesser beings.

I see the real supremecy.

You're simply scared of the boogeymen your leaders (the real supremests) tell you about to keep you behaving and blind to the lie. Because the truth is that they are to blame for the failures and inequalities you detest. Not the boogeymen.

It is indeed "fucking sickening"