Death threats surge, and FBI ‘more interested’ in those against Democrats

[almostgone]

I guess you didn't hear about the insurrection at the Capitol.
I guess you forgot about the Michigan militia that wanted to start a civil war.

I am not saying that all Republicans want to overthrow democracy.
But a certain subset do in fact want to overthrow democracy.

And yes... there are some leftist groups too who also want to overthrow democracy.
For example... NFAC wants to be given Texas and start their own nation I believe.


Side note:
We are so busy tearing ourselves apart from within that we can lose sight of the fact that their also exists nations and non-domestic terrorists groups that want to overthrow America.
They are all laughing so hard that they are in tears right now.

In bold above, that is a hard and dangerous truth that many are ignoring or are unaware of, DD. I'm glad to see that there are others cognizant of what is happening.

Circling back to what DD posted and my reply earlier. DD is 100% spot on regarding this. I've said it before so I won't fully reiterate it again, but people need to consider the possibility that there are parties/bad actors whose strategy is to rile up and motivate extremists from both parties.

This is very dangerous territory. You have the citizens pitted against each other, they become blind to the inefficiency of our government, and serves no other purpose than to weaken the nation and make it even more susceptible to foreign intervention.

Ok, time to go make metal into chips.

[Hughinn]

Circling back to what DD posted and my reply earlier. DD is 100% spot on regarding this. I've said it before so I won't fully reiterate it again, but people need to consider the possibility that there are parties/bad actors whose strategy is to rile up and motivate extremists from both parties.

This is very dangerous territory. You have the citizens pitted against each other, they become blind to the inefficiency of our government, and serves no other purpose than to weaken the nation and make it even more susceptible to foreign intervention.

Ok, time to go make metal into chips.

Perhaps you haven't considered their actions are intentional.

The underlined part of your post is exactly right. As long as you hate the boogeyman, you don't see that the leaders are responsible for the way it is.

Just look at how the left insists on daily accenting of racial, ethnic and economic differences. This coincides directly with their invention of the modern boogeyman. The blue collar white male. Every single policy the left espouses is based on identity. Everything. It's also just my opinion, but I think many on the right only pretend to oppose them. For the show and perception that thier opposing the nonsense. When in reality they're on the same side in many cases. The side of the supremest elite.


If you wanted to run a country for the benefit of the people who lived there, by contrast, you’d do the opposite of this.

You’d deemphasize racial differences. You’d understand that in a society composed of many different ethnic groups, tribalism is the greatest threat to unity and order.

Of course there will always be racism, because that’s the nature of people, and you’d work to discourage it. But you would resist using the existence of racism as an excuse for your failures. You would never, for example, blame an entire racial group for the sins of its ancestors. That would serve only to embitter and divide the population

Another example is the recent election. Good leaders, that had honest intentions would understand that having at least a third of the nation believing the election was fraudulent is a recipe for disaster. Yet nothing was done openly and publicly to reassure citizens that despite massive irregularities and bizarre twist and turns, that the results are legitimate. It would've gone a long way to unity. So why didn't they do it? If they didn't want to have millions of people pissed off, then why didn't they do something?

If the intention is not to divide and embitter, then one can only come to the conclusion that our leaders are either indifferent, or incompetent.

BTW, You're a machinist?

I'm a millwright.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Perhaps you haven't considered their actions are intentional.

The underlined part of your post is exactly right. As long as you hate the boogeyman, you don't see that the leaders are responsible for the way it is.

Just look at how the left insists on daily accenting of racial, ethnic and economic differences. This coincides directly with their invention of the modern boogeyman. The blue collar white male. see below Every single policy the left espouses is based on identity. How about clean energy, stricter gun laws, universal healthcare... What identity are these based on? Everything. It's also just my opinion, but I think many on the right only pretend to oppose them. For the show and perception that thier opposing the nonsense. When in reality they're on the same side in many cases. The side of the supremest elite.


If you wanted to run a country for the benefit of the people who lived there, by contrast, you’d do the opposite of this.

You’d deemphasize racial differences. You’d understand that in a society composed of many different ethnic groups, tribalism is the greatest threat to unity and order. Exactly why white supremacy is a problem. Biden agrees with you.

Of course there will always be racism, because that’s the nature of people, and you’d work to discourage it. But you would resist using the existence of racism as an excuse for your failures. You would never, for example, blame an entire racial group for the sins of its ancestors. No-one I know personally blames anyone alive today for things that happened hundreds of years ago. That would be like me hating a German baby because of Hitler's atrocities. But... that doesn't mean that shit didn't happen years ago. And because shit happened their might still be effects of the injustice today. That would serve only to embitter and divide the population

Another example is the recent election. Good leaders, that had honest intentions would understand that having at least a third of the nation believing the election was fraudulent is a recipe for disaster. Yet nothing was done openly and publicly to reassure citizens that despite massive irregularities and bizarre twist and turns, that the results are legitimate. It would've gone a long way to unity. So why didn't they do it? If they didn't want to have millions of people pissed off, then why didn't they do something?

If the intention is not to divide and embitter, then one can only come to the conclusion that our leaders are either indifferent, or incompetent.

BTW, You're a machinist?

I'm a millwright.

You claim the blue collar white male is the bogeyman.

I am white.
Have been my whole life.
I know very many white people.
Most of my friends and associates are white.

I don't know of a single white person who feels like they are being blamed for anything.
I don't know of a single white person who feels oppressed by society.

I know plenty of angry white people.
I know plenty of people who oppose BLM or defund the police.

But I don't know any white people who feels that they are being attacked.
Hell, I know policeman, and their stance is that it is a tough time to be a cop. Not because they are white... simply because they are a cop.

I really, honestly, have no idea what you mean by saying the blue collar white male is the bogeyman.

Maybe where you live things are different.

[Hughinn]

You claim the blue collar white male is the bogeyman.

I am white.
Have been my whole life.
I know very many white people.
Most of my friends and associates are white.

I don't know of a single white person who feels like they are being blamed for anything.
I don't know of a single white person who feels oppressed by society.

I know plenty of angry white people.
I know plenty of people who oppose BLM or defund the police.

But I don't know any white people who feels that they are being attacked.
Hell, I know policeman, and their stance is that it is a tough time to be a cop. Not because they are white... simply because they are a cop.

I really, honestly, have no idea what you mean by saying the blue collar white male is the bogeyman.

Maybe where you live things are different.

With due respect. I can say with a certain level of certainty. You are not a blue collar working man. Your friends aren't either. Nor are your family, or in laws. I could be wrong. But I don't think so.

Example, making chips from metal, is a machinist shaping parts from rough stock. And a tool maker is at top of the class as far as machinists. Custom made, one off parts and complex designs are thier specially. That man has an education that'd rival any university. He likely can quote trigonometry and geometrical formulas by memory. But only another blue collar tradesman would catch his chip statement. I am a millwright.

It's not necessarily geography. It's about the class you were born to.

I mean all of that respectfully. I hope you don't take it the wrong way.

What i mean to say is that, the identity politics we see, are meant asa diversion from the reality that our leaders have screwed us. Instead of admitting it, they try to get us to blame eachother. Is my point.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

With due respect. I can say with a certain level of certainty. You are not a blue collar working man. Your friends aren't either. Nor are your family, or in laws. I could be wrong. But I don't think so.

It's not necessarily geography. It's about the class you were born to.

I mean all of that respectfully. I hope you don't take it the wrong way.

I have friends and associates who are policemen, contractors, HVAC workers, teachers, landscapers, musicians, firemen, bartenders, chefs, retail salesmen, electricians...

I grew up white lower middle class until my father got addicted to drugs.

So yes... I worked 30-40 hours a week to put myself thru college and graduated with debt to get to where I am today.
And I had such a low end wall street job that I collected cans in my suit as I walked home from work so I could buy my cheap Chinese chicken and broccoli.
Hell... before I became "successful" I wanted to declare bankruptcy but couldn't afford it and didn't know how to do it myself.

And yes... now I trade government bonds. Not the least bit blue collar.

But I grew up blue collar and am surrounded by blue collar.
I also am surrounded by white collar and am now self-employed.

But I don't see your point.
Maybe in the northeast white folks feel differently then wherever you live now.


So please explain to me:
Who is using you as a bogeyman?
Who is attacking you and blaming their problems on you?

Not an attack... just honest curiousity.

Listen... my friend a landscaper hates BLM and defund the police and the Democrats... but he doesn't feel like he is being attacked for being a white landscaper.
I just don't understand your point.


I think you may mean that for example:
Blacks blame their impoverished state on discrimination.
Our poor people have trouble moving up in society because the system is rigged against them.
But neither of those examples put the blame on blue collar white men.

[Hughinn]

I think you may mean that for example:
Blacks blame their impoverished state on discrimination.
Our poor people have trouble moving up in society because the system is rigged against them.
But neither of those examples put the blame on blue collar white men.

Thats exactly my point. You do understand, sort of.

Blacks are told constantly, as well as most other colored people and women that they have been victimized and discriminated against. And that's why they don't have better plight in life than what they have. That narrative is relentlessly pushed to the point of exhaustion.

And perhaps that's true for them, but it's also true for poor whites.

The common denominator is the very people constantly telling them that , are the very people responsible for it.

It's like somebody having a pie, and that pie was earned by everyone who worked for it. Then when time comes to divide it out, instead of doling out fair shares, they dole out one small piece, to one party only, and take the rest, then convince the others to fight eachother over that small piece.

You cannot deny, that when many women and people of color think about why they feel cheated, and who has done it to them, more often than not, it's the common white man that gets the blame. Because that's what the narrative tells them every day.

Immigration reform is a practical issue. Too much, and wages go down, resources get strained. How much is too much? What is the sensible number? Who knows? But nobody can ask. If you do, its just the mean old white men not wanting to share narrative.

Racism, discrimination, hate and bigotry are all strictly narrated to portray mainly working class white men as the perpetrators, and everyone else the victim.

When in reality, racism exists in people of all colors, and white peop,people, are arguably the least racist of anybody. Same goes for bigotry and discrimination. These things aren't confined to one ethnic group o up alone. But that's the way it's portrayed. By design.

Meet the boogeyman. The bizzare mythical creature to blame for all the ills of the nation. Created specifically so the leaders can avoid taking responsibility for the failures caused by thier own greedy and selfish actions.

On a side note, the democrat party has pulled this all before. It's their playbook to the letter. Before they convinced all the poor whites, that all thier problems were because of the poor blacks. And they rode that sentiment to power.

Now they play the exact same game, convincing the poor people of color that all thier problems are because of poor whites.

Joe biden has written policy in American institutions for 50 years. But, does anybody blame Joe for those institutions discriminating? No, they blame the boogeyman. And so does Joe. He blames "RACIAL INEQUITIES " on systemic racism. But joe has worked that system he clames is racist for 50 years. So tell me, who is to blame?

Leaders interested in unity wouldn't pull that shit. Like I said in my post above. It's all about turning us on eachother so we don't see how bad they screwed us all.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Now they play the exact same game, convincing the poor people of color that all thier problems are because of poor whites.

While I disagree with much of what you say...

This is what I disagree with the most.

I hardly think that the poor people of color think that the poor white people are responsible.

I am not a poor person of color but...
I think that most poor people of color (or poor whites for that matter) think the problem is with the society as a whole. The rich get richer.
I highly doubt that the ghetto black is blaming the trailer park white.
Even if you go up in income...
I do not think the lower middle class person of color is blaming the local white electrician.

I think people are smart enough to know the problem lies with the rich and powerful.

I interviewed on Wall Street.
I worked on Wall Street.
It was white as can be.
You didn't get hired unless you were white.
That is what is called systematic racism.
Have things changed. Sure. It has gotten better.
But I don't think a black person who didn't get hired was blaming the white janitor at the firm.
He would blame the men at the top.