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[Fluidic Kimbo]

Not science per se, but what is defined by science as a study

Which begs the question:
Who or what is it that is doing this defining?

Are you simply referring to the people who figured things out, such as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, or are you referring to something else?

[META99]

Which begs the question:
Who or what is it that is doing this defining?

Are you simply referring to the people who figured things out, such as Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, or are you referring to something else?

Yes. I suppose that’s the direction we can go. But many scientists have existed, and in time, have defined many things. Too many to even speak of in one conversation. That said, scientists are defining new things in space and time and molecules all the time. Even defined the beginning of earth.


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[Fluidic Kimbo]

Yes. I suppose that’s the direction we can go. But many scientists have existed, and in time, have defined many things. Too many to even speak of in one conversation. That said, scientists are defining new things in space and time and molecules all the time. Even defined the beginning of earth.

I disagree with you here. Newton and Einstein simply observed something that was defined by someone/something else.

Just because Newton and Einstein were the first people to observe these things and to describe them, doesn't mean that they defined them. That's sort of like saying I designed the octopus because I was the first person to go down in a submarine and see one.

[META99]

I disagree with you here. Newton and Einstein simply observed something that was defined by someone/something else.

Just because Newton and Einstein were the first people to observe these things and to describe them, doesn't mean that they defined them. That's sort of like saying I designed the octopus because I was the first person to go down in a submarine and see one.

Ok, I’m not saying all the amazing things that the above scientists discovered or defined are suddenly there because they did discover them. Yes they were there before. That seems criminal to think that way. By defining things in math and science, such as astronomy, biology, dynamics and physics, we can apply those things to how life began on earth. And saying “oh well it’s because God did it”, doesn’t seem like a mindful approach to our existence. But I will say even Charles Darwin believed in God and he was the father of evolution. But I do get it, you can’t disprove that some “force” wasn’t there to start the whole thing. Your argument, if I understand, is saying who is to say god did mint out the gases and proteins in the universe to begin life”.
I don’t worship scientists. I do believe their work. I certainly would never worship Max Planck just because he discovered quantum physics. Quantum physics existed before but now we have something to call it. Now and However there also many people out there that believe we are all genetic descendente of the Bible’s Adam and Eve. Which I can’t even have that conversation


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[Test Monsterone]

Ok, I’m not saying all the amazing things that the above scientists discovered or defined are suddenly there because they did discover them. Yes they were there before. That seems criminal to think that way. By defining things in math and science, such as astronomy, biology, dynamics and physics, we can apply those things to how life began on earth. And saying “oh well it’s because God did it”, doesn’t seem like a mindful approach to our existence. But I will say even Charles Darwin believed in God and he was the father of evolution. But I do get it, you can’t disprove that some “force” wasn’t there to start the whole thing. Your argument, if I understand, is saying who is to say god did mint out the gases and proteins in the universe to begin life”.
I don’t worship scientists. I do believe their work. I certainly would never worship Max Planck just because he discovered quantum physics. Quantum physics existed before but now we have something to call it. Now and However there also many people out there that believe we are all genetic descendente of the Bible’s Adam and Eve. Which I can’t even have that conversation


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Basically, if God did create the elements which make up the universe and fundamentals upon which science is based on, then we should look to scientists for the answers to how and why things work the way they do. Now if we're talking about spirituality, life after death, morality, etc... then religion can fill that in for those who want to believe it. They are two distinct things, for the most part. '

My problem is when people put religion over science when discussing physical phenomena. Increase in tornadoes... God's mad at us - that sort of thing. There's a scientific explanation for everything happening around us. Whether a higher power put these things in motion during the creation of the universe (as we know it) or if that power is still influencing things as we speak, that's something we will never know.

[META99]

Basically, if God did create the elements which make up the universe and fundamentals upon which science is based on, then we should look to scientists for the answers to how and why things work the way they do. Now if we're talking about spirituality, life after death, morality, etc... then religion can fill that in for those who want to believe it. They are two distinct things, for the most part. '

My problem is when people put religion over science when discussing physical phenomena. Increase in tornadoes... God's mad at us - that sort of thing. There's a scientific explanation for everything happening around us. Whether a higher power put these things in motion during the creation of the universe (as we know it) or if that power is still influencing things as we speak, that's something we will never know.

Yes. Very true. They are two distinct things.
Many people don’t allow Conversations about science and religion to mingle together.

This kind of conversation tends to ultimately come down to the question of “what started everything”. On my side, and with what I’ve studied, and what I believe, is that a random event is what sparked a reaction that caused what we call the universe to begin. And ultimately earth. I get your point that it is difficult to deny a “force” driving the beginning. In my mind it is conceivable. But ultimately in my scientific brain... unbelievable.

Test Monsterone I would like to tell you that I have enjoyed our back and forth. Thank you for not making this discussion about religion.

Like I mentioned before, even Charles Darwin, likely hated by many religious affiliations, has been known to declare that there is something greater than all of us and the universe.


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[Fluidic Kimbo]

I don’t worship scientists. I do believe their work. I certainly would never worship Max Planck just because he discovered quantum physics.

You would not worship a prophet? And, despite his prophecy -- which you do believe in -- you would not raise him above any other person? His name would not be exalted?

Some people think that the solution to all our problems in the world is stuff like renewable energy and a healthy, sustainable, conservationalistic lifestyle. If that were true then all the vegan yoga practitioners who re-use their shopping bags would be nice people -- but some are bad to the bone.

If I were going to worship any mortal person (dead or alive) then it certainly would not be for a scientific discovery. However if somebody can come up with a choreographed dance routine that cures all depression and anxiety within 140 seconds then I at least think we should name a theatre after that person, and perhaps host a monthly Open MIC night at that theatre.