Dozens Instances Of Vote Fraud In 2020 Presidential Election Yet To Be Debunked

**Beetlegeuse** · 03-11-2021, 08:04 AM

Too long to replicate all of the formatting (and I might have inadvertently entered some errors as is) so it might be easier to read if you follow the hotlink in the headline to the source article.

Here are many examples of voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. Presidential election that, as far as I’m aware, have not been debunked. Updated for March 10, 2021.

By Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill)

March 10, 2021

The mainstream media continues to insist that there is “no evidence” of voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. Presidential election.

They are lying.

Here are many examples of voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. Presidential election that, as far as I’m aware, have not been debunked:

Russell James Ramsland, Jr. audited 22 Dominion voting machines that were used in Antrim County, Michigan.

This is his conclusion from his report on his audit:

“We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud. Based on our study, we conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not be used in Michigan. We further conclude that the results of Antrim County should not have been certified.”

Source: https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2...ensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210101...ensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel, and Michigan Judge Kevin Elsenheimer all tried to prevent the public from seeing Ramsland’s report on his audit.

Why did they try to prevent the public from seeing the audit?

What were they afraid of?

Also, after the audit was ordered, but before the audit actually took place, Benson ordered the memory in the voting machines to be erased.

Why did Benson order the memory in the machines to be erased before the audit?

What was she afraid of?

Sources:

https://g1nbc.com/howell-mi/files/20...20-General.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20201230...20-General.pdf

https://nationalfile.com/michigan-se...d-audit-calls/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210101...d-audit-calls/

https://nationalfile.com/what-michig...vote-flipping/

https://web.archive.org/web/20201229...vote-flipping/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210101...ature=youtu.be

Mainstream media reported that Fulton County, Georgia, “stopped” counting ballots for the night because “a water pipe has broken,” and “sent the ballot counters home.”

Video shows Republican poll watchers and media reporters leaving the building.

The same video shows a few people remain, and continue counting votes without Republican poll watchers or media reporters.

Video shows an election worker scanning the same ballots three times.

There is no visible water leak in these videos.

Sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25DAAHZdEw

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/stat...46118208376834

https://web.archive.org/web/20201104...46118208376834

https://www.bitchute.com/video/v3qUNQRKJyH5/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keANzinHWUA

https://www.bitchute.com/video/fv1BUbsk1mSW/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiREC3Zy20E

A study of more than 3,000 U.S. counties shows that, all else being equal, counties that used Dominion voting machines gave Biden an extra 5.6% of the vote, compared to counties that did not use Dominion machines. Since all other factors were taken into account, this is almost certain proof that Democrats cheated.

Sources:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210107...46605106364416

https://generaldispatch.whatfinger.c...way-with-this/

https://web.archive.org/web/20201219...way-with-this/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ting-machines/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210103...ting-machines/

YouTube banned a C-SPAN video of Trump’s lawyer’s opening statement on voter fraud from the Senate Committee Hearing.

Fortunately, BitChute has the video.

Why would YouTube ban a C-SPAN video?

What are they afraid of?

Sources:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/youtub...g_3626087.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20210101...g_3626087.html

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eLYThvcgZ6ef/

Maricopa County, Arizona rejects subpoena to audit voting machines.

What are they afraid of?

Skip to 0:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6CZA44KrBQ

Arizona’s Maricopa board of supervisors is playing games – Trying to block a legitimate forensic audit of 2020 election ballots – Why?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ction-ballots/

Why are Arizona’s Maricopa County board of supervisors not in jail? They are reportedly breaking the law by not handing over 2020 election ballots.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ction-ballots/

Pennsylvania accepted mail in ballots for 69 hours later than what is allowed by law.

Article 1, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution says:

“The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof”

Source: https://constitutionallawreporter.co...ing%20Senators

https://web.archive.org/web/20210102...01-section-04/

Pennsylvania law says:

“NO ABSENTEE BALLOT UNDER THIS SUBSECTION SHALL BE COUNTED WHICH IS RECEIVED IN THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS LATER THAN [EIGHT O’CLOCK P.M. ON THE DAY OF THE PRIMARY OR ELECTION]”

Source: https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS...r=0421&pn=1330

https://web.archive.org/web/20201208...r=0421&pn=1330

NPR said:

“Pennsylvania Supreme Court Extends Vote By Mail Deadline” “Mail ballots will now be accepted if they are received by 5 p.m. on the Friday after the election and were either postmarked by Nov. 3 or there is no evidence to suggest they were sent after Election Day. Previously, mail ballots had to be received by 8 p.m. on Election Day.”

Source https://www.npr.org/2020/09/17/91416...ows-drop-boxes

https://web.archive.org/web/20210103...ows-drop-boxes

In several states, vote counting was paused late at night.

Later, when counting resumed, there were giant vote spikes with impossibly high percentages for Biden.

These things only happened in the states where Democrats needed to flip the state from Trump to Biden.

They did not happen in other states.

Source: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...217540096.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20201119...217540096.html

DeKalb County, Georgia illegally refused to honor an Open Records Request to show the documents for the chain of custody for the absentee ballots that were submitted in drop boxes.

What are they afraid of?

Source: https://georgiastarnews.com/2020/12/...request-exist/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210101...request-exist/

An audit of 1,400 mail-in ballots in Nevada found that 2% were cast by voters who never actually received a ballot in the mail, and 1% were cast by voters who say they didn’t even vote.

Source: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...e-car-n1187712

https://web.archive.org/web/20201210...e-car-n1187712

In Michigan, Federal Judge Linda Parker rejected an election lawsuit filed by Matt Braynard.

This video shows some of the claims that Braynard would have made if Judge Parker had allowed the lawsuit to proceed.

Braynard claims that his team spoke with 926 people whose names and address had been used to cast absentee ballots.

He claims that 12.6% of those people said they never requested an absentee ballot.

He plays audio from some of those people.

Why is Judge Parker afraid to let the public hear their testimony?

Sources:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...t-to-decertify

https://web.archive.org/web/20210102...t-to-decertify

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8ukz9SDIdk

Page 79 of this lawsuit from Georgia says

“all 900 military ballots in Fulton County that supposedly were 100% for Joe Biden”

Source: https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-...11.25.2020.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20201207...11.25.2020.pdf

What a computer expert said about voting results in Michigan.

Sources:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._michigan.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20201120..._michigan.html

https://thespectator.info/2020/11/19...s-in-michigan/

https://web.archive.org/web/20201121...s-in-michigan/

Tens of thousands of ballots arrived before their sent date in Pennsylvania.

Source: https://www.theepochtimes.com/pennsy...s_3572942.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20201112...s_3572942.html

In Antrim County, Michigan, human actions and/or computer software gave thousands of Trump votes to Biden.

Source: https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...20/6185031002/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210101...20/6185031002/

Wisconsin illegally refused to remove 234,000 names from the voting rolls even though they had moved out of the state or to a different city within the state.

All of these people had ignored a written notification that had been mailed to their old address.

Wisconsin made it very easy for all of these 234,000 names to be used for fraudulent voting, because the state allowed every single person in the state to declare themself as “indefinitely confined,” which allowed them to vote by absentee ballot, which allowed them to ignore the state’s voter ID law.

In 2019, only 72,000 voters in the state were “indefinitely confined.”

In 2020, this number more than tripled.

The state illegally kept the Green Party candidate off the ballot.

The city of Madison placed illegal drop boxes in the city’s 206 parks.

These illegal drop boxes were not supervised.

City employees “helped” voters to fill out their ballots before placing them into these illegal drop boxes.

The city of Milwaukee withheld reporting its vote totals until after it knew how many votes Biden would need to win.

Source: https://www.maciverinstitute.com/202...-in-wisconsin/

https://web.archive.org/web/20201105...-in-wisconsin/

Dominion took over Georgia voting machines remotely during 2020 election.

Source: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ines-remotely/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210103...ines-remotely/

This is what Democrats mean when they say they are in favor of “ballot harvesting.”

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n_5V62LT-Q

You would think elections officials would want an investigation because it would exonerate them.

But they don’t.

What are they hiding?

Source: https://amgreatness.com/2020/12/26/m...lection-audit/

https://web.archive.org/web/2020*/ht...lection-audit/

In Pennsylvania, a certified public accountant is claiming that the number of ballots is 202,377 bigger than the number of people who actually voted.

Source: https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-rep...rs-dont-add-up

https://web.archive.org/web/20210102...rs-dont-add-up

For five states to stop counting on election night is absolutely unprecedented.

Source: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...terview-audio/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210102...terview-audio/

In these videos, Jovan Hutton Pulitzer – an inventor and forensics expert – explained how he will look for fraud on paper ballots.

Georgia Senate voted to let Pulitzer examine Fulton County’s absentee ballots.

But hours later, trucks showed up and employees took the ballots into hiding to prevent them from being examined.

It was later discovered that the ballots weren’t just put into hiding. They were actually put through shredders. And not just regular shredders. They used military grade shredders, which makes it impossible to reconstruct them.

Why did they destroy the ballots before they could be examined?

What are they afraid of?

Sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgeqGmvQXKs

https://rumble.com/vcnila-jovan-puli...detection.html

https://rumble.com/vcb3yh-jovan-puli...d-hearing.html

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...canning-video/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210101...canning-video/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...cked-shredded/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210102...cked-shredded/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...oyed-shredder/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210303...oyed-shredder/

A study by John Lott concluded:

“The precinct level estimates for Georgia and Pennsylvania indicate that vote fraud may account for Biden’s win in both states. The voter turnout rate data also indicates that there are significant excess votes in Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, and Wisconsin as well. While the problems shown here are large, there are two reasons to believe that they are underestimates: 1) the estimates using precinct level data assume that there is no fraud occurring with in-person voting and 2) the voter turnout estimates do not account for ballots for the opposing candidate that are lost, destroyed, or replaced with ballots filled out for the other candidate.”

Source: https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery...pdf&INDEX=TRUE

https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew...lvania-n302853

https://web.archive.org/web/20210102...lvania-n302853

Dominion voting machine hacked live during Georgia election hearing.

But they’re not supposed to be connected to the internet.

Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/fwFdW4fuzJvV/

Source Article;
https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpres...top-the-steal/

Continued below

**Beetlegeuse** · 03-11-2021, 08:05 AM

Continued from above

In Fulton County, Georgia, ballots in Republican-heavy areas, but not Democrat-heavy areas, were deliberately printed to create errors, in order to send them to be “fixed” by election workers.

Source: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ection-rigged/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210101...ection-rigged/

Georgia Witness: “93% of military ballots for Biden.”

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Gi7af-Gz8

Georgia County Official: Raffensperger sent armed Secretary of State agents with handcuffs to the county after they complained about the inaccurate Dominion machines.

Source: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...achines-video/

https://web.archive.org/web/20201230...achines-video/

Dominion Voting Machines CEO John Poulos said their machines “are not connected to the internet.”

But Dominion’s own training manual says they are connected to the internet.

Why did Poulos lie about this?

Source: https://youtu.be/7R1eWkPZPUY

Election supervisor shows how easy it is for election workers to change votes to whatever they want.

The official term for this form of cheating is “adjudication.”

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHBAoy4Pis

Dominion employee Eric Coomer shows how election workers can change the votes on ballots.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtB3tLaXLJE

Video from Fulton County, Georgia, shows an election worker scanning the same ballots five times.

Sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk7MgCQanaM

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NttWvjegsPhF/

https://www.independentsentinel.com/...fulton-county/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210102...fulton-county/

Data scientists: Georgia data reveals 30,000+ Trump votes removed, another 12,173 switched to Biden

Sources:

https://rumble.com/vcdf1l-georgia-el...en-data-s.html

https://rumble.com/vcfgpt-georgia-da...s-removed.html

https://rumble.com/vced7t-georgia-da...hed-to-bi.html

https://www.bitchute.com/video/8hcYJPl2Mavq/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaq6IWrtPU

Richard Barron is the Elections Director in Fulton County, Georgia.

In this video, he says:

“So far we’ve scanned 113,130 ballots. We’ve adjudicated over 106,000.”

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 03-11-2021, 08:19 AM

fixed it...

Dozens Instances Of Vote Fraud In 2020 Presidential Election Yet To Be PROVEN

Kinda stupid that people think they can claim what ever the fuck they want and then expect that others have to prove them wrong.

The onus is on the ones claiming fraud to prove their case.

In case you didn't realize...
Over 60 cases have been lost in court.

#PillowMantotherescue

**Hughinn** · 03-11-2021, 07:38 PM

The irony in it all to me, is that the very people claiming to be for "unity" are the very same people disregarding, censoring and slandering anybody who shows evidence or voices concerns of fraud.

Smart and honest leadership who would be truly interested in bringing unity would seek to address the concerns of many millions of it's citizens who question the results, if nothing more than to reassure them so unity can be more easily approached.

We obviously don't have smart or honest leadership, but even worse, they're completely immersed in thier own smug sort of circular group assurance that they know what they're doing.

It truly couldn't be more obvious.

**Beetlegeuse** · 03-17-2021, 09:16 PM

March 16, 2021
The Sovereign Crime of Industrial Scale Vote Fraud
By Jay Valentine

Recently our team was invited to meet with 2020 election fraud investigators in downtown Austin. Our team, with some of the top criminal profiling talent in the country, was happy to attend. At the last minute, our new pals cancelled their meeting.

Since we changed our schedules and lost those days, we decided to hold our own confab.

Our team members were the lead builders of one of the world’s most sophisticated criminal profiling systems in use by law enforcement today. We broke the eBay auction fraud rings and deployed a never-before-used technology to end auction fraud as an emerging crime category. We identified numerous Medicaid fraud rings and were hired by most of the top 10 property and casualty insurance firms to solve auto crash rings that eluded the FBI and every fraud technology.

What we do not talk about much is our team’s record predicting crime. There were several occasions when we predicted terrorist activity and warned government agencies. There is a particularly famous one, involving a military base, where they did not listen. That's one for another day.

When you are at the table with some of the top criminal profilers in the world, talking about industrial scale election fraud, you do more listening than talking. And the listening was interesting. The profilers have zero interest in U.S. elections. Two of them did not vote and had unflattering opinions about both presidential candidates. Their comments were most insightful because they saw the current questions about election fraud so differently than the American media.

To them, 2020 election fraud was an industrial level crime. It was of such magnitude that it moved from the category of an election crime to a sovereign crime.

Sovereign crime. It does have a ring to it.

Sovereign crime is not something we see a lot of in America as our governmental institutions are generally not organized to commit, support or hide a crime.

Most Americans have never seen an organized crime take place, in plain view, supported by or covered up by governmental institutions. But it happens all the time around the world, even in some countries that are quite Westernized.

Sovereign crime means your government was a participant, active or passive, enabling vote fraud.

Governors and secretaries of state refusing to cleanse voter rolls, refusing to check signatures for mail-in ballots – even during recounts, changing the voting rules weeks before an election, qualifies as your government messing with your vote.

The national government refusing to investigate the most egregious examples of voter fraud like hundreds of thousands of more ballots than voters in several states, that is a pretty good indicator that they are passive participants in industrial level vote fraud.

The refusal of the FBI to fully investigate Jesse Morgan’s truck with the hundreds of thousands of ballots going from New York to Pennsylvania – yet dispatching agents to a NASCAR location to investigate a garage pull-down they hoped was a noose – well, that’s a good indicator, too.

Wait, we’re not done here.

The United States Postal Service managers telling employees to backdate ballots so they could be counted illegally. Does that sound like your government – sovereign government – participating in vote fraud?

Our team noted that this might be the first time in American history that the government from the states to the national to its agencies coordinated to either fake the vote or hide the faking.

Our profilers comfortably said the 2020 election fraud was on such a scale that it was impossible for the major law enforcement agencies to not have known about it in advance.

Governmental law enforcement either actively engaged in the fraud, which is impossible to prove, or knowingly acquiesced after the fact.

Pretty clearly, the evidence is piling up that the FBI had zero interest in trucks with ballots crossing state lines, ballots being shredded in Maricopa County, tens of thousands of ballots received before being mailed and all sorts of other clues any competent law enforcement agency would at least investigate.

The conversation did not go where I expected it.

There was no interest on our profilers’ part in doing investigation of massive voter fraud. They felt it was so obvious and the current work being done by citizens and published on hard-to-find blogs was state-of-the-art and no further investigations would find much more. Their comments were striking because they said the data easily available showed the election fraud patterns had two very alarming characteristics: It was not the first time this was tried, and it will be performed again, at scale, in the next election.

Here is where the conversation got very interesting:

Violent criminals have known profiles and when law enforcement properly applies certain profiles, there can be very accurate predictions about what such persons will do next.

Fraud criminals have their own patterns. When we were doing insurance fraud, we often said, with authority, that fraud is a constant. If you stop it one place, it will pop up somewhere else.

Fraud criminals are often highly educated. In our world, they are doctors, attorneys, insurance investigators, chiropractors, running fraud rings spanning multiple states. If someone were caught and the ring broken, those who did not go to jail did not become priests or open small businesses. They started other fraud rings.

Fraud is a constant. Fraud becomes a profession.

Fraud rings, when organized, grow. They continue to expand with new entrants, slightly different profiles, corrupting more people with money that dwarfs what one might make honestly. Fraud techniques are like an organic species: what works, thrives; and what fails, dies out. Patterns emerge. Patterns equal prediction and prediction enables eradication.

Here is where our profilers made a critical connection.

The 2020 election fraud did not just happen. It is impossible for an organization, spanning many states, using similar techniques (fake ballots, shutting down counting at the same time, more ballots than voters, dead voters, underage voters) to succeed the first time at bat. There are just too many moving parts.

So here we developed a thesis.

The team, educated in some of the most sophisticated organized fraud tactics, posited that this was not a dry run. Their thesis is that if one were to seriously evaluate the balloting in many states for 2014, 2016 and 2018, one will find traces of what happened in 2020. That project is under discussion.

Their second thesis is that this is not over by any means. This kind of election fraud was hugely successful. If one even questions the 2020 election, one can be banned from social media and labeled a “conspiracy theorist” by sovereign governmental agencies.

The team believes the best is yet to come.

Fraud perps are greedy and when left to commit fraud, for which there was likely millions of dollars in remuneration either presently or in the future, they are not going to stop. As fraudsters recognize that national law enforcement refuses to investigate and the courts will not look at evidence, they are emboldened. Who wouldn’t be?

Our courts and law enforcement are saying “come, commit all the fraud you want, we won’t investigate, and if there is litigation, we will toss it out on procedural grounds.”

If anyone protests, the FBI may raid their home with an assault vehicle.

Don’t believe me, well, meet Christopher Worrell.

And meet retired Army Sergeant Kenneth Harrelson, who, like Chris, attended the Don’t Steal The Vote Rally and was greeted by an FBI turreted vehicle while he was cleaning out his gutters.

This is our government in action covering up election fraud. FBI Director Chris Wray is promising each of us the Roger Stone Experience if we doth protest too much.

We are dealing with a new type of crime, at least new to most Americans: sovereign crime. This is it, folks! This is what it looks like.

Just think if the courts and government did this for Medicaid fraud. We might all do it!

So if you are an election fraud perp, what would you do? Double down! Yes, you would, you know you would.

Fraud is a constant. What we saw in 2020 is going to happen in 2022 and 2024 in a very big way. Maybe bigger since there are no constraints.

It is here the team made their most startling prediction.

The data from 2020 are strong enough to predict exactly where the most egregious fraud is going to happen and how it is going to happen.

Texas data sent to us showed the 2020-type fraud did happen in 2016 and 2018 in a smaller degree but with the same pattern. It was not reported. In hindsight, compared with 2020, a pattern emerges.

Profiling works. Fraud is a constant. Bad guys without pushback overplay their hands.

Your government, at the state and federal level, the FBI, government agencies can be in on the scam. That is the realization slowly being accepted by millions of Americans.

We have technologies that can identify dead voters the moment they cast a ballot. We can identify people who are out-of-state, voted twice, are underage, live in a vacant lot or a UPS or FedEx postal box. We can even show a photo of that vacant lot so you can see where your fake neighbor claims to live.

Literally, the second their ballot is counted, they can be flagged as a likely fraud.

Yes, we can deploy that technology today. We have done it in the insurance industry for decades.

We can predict where election fraud is going to happen. We can predict how it is going to be done. We can deploy technologies to identify likely fraud within seconds of when it happens.

The question is, if the government is pretty much in on the election fraud, does it really matter?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 03-18-2021, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse

The refusal of the FBI to fully investigate Jesse Morgan’s truck with the hundreds of thousands of ballots going from New York to Pennsylvania – yet dispatching agents to a NASCAR location to investigate a garage pull-down they hoped was a noose – well, that’s a good indicator, too.

Subtle...

**Hughinn** · 03-18-2021, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Subtle...

I myself wonder why things fell out how they did.

Normally a whistle blower comes forward with eyewitness testimony, amd a formal investigation ensues.

In the case of the 2020 election, the whistle blowers testimony was heard in court, then the judges said there was no proof other than testimony.
But the authorities responsible for the investigations simply declined to investigate. In this case the fbi.

But, then the fbi, is going after a bunch of toothless idiots that waved flags during a riot at the capital building, and investigating nooses in Nascar drama? Or investigation of 30 year old claims of groping teenage boys when the victim and perpetrator cannot even be placed in the same place at the same time? In fact,fact, couldn't even be verified they knew eachother.
Then you've got a fake dossier, paid for the dnc and Clinton campaign passed off to and fbi, who knew it was fake, lied to the fisa c ourt about its verification and source in order to get illegal surveillance warrants , and nobody is held accountable?

It just doesn't make sense to me. It just doesn't add up.

I think alot of other people are asking those questions right now. And the fact that asking those questions would get you banned on Twitter and Facebook just adds more to the suspicious nature of it all.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 03-18-2021, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Hughinn

I myself wonder why things fell out how they did.

Normally a whistle blower comes forward with eyewitness testimony, amd a formal investigation ensues.

In the case of the 2020 election, the whistle blowers testimony was heard in court, then the judges said there was no proof other than testimony.
But the authorities responsible for the investigations simply declined to investigate. In this case the fbi.

But, then the fbi, is going after a bunch of toothless idiots that waved flags during a riot at the capital building, and investigating nooses in Nascar drama? Or investigation of 30 year old claims of groping teenage boys when the victim and perpetrator cannot even be placed in the same place at the same time? In fact,fact, couldn't even be verified they knew eachother.
Then you've got a fake dossier, paid for the dnc and Clinton campaign passed off to and fbi, who knew it was fake, lied to the fisa c ourt about its verification and source in order to get illegal surveillance warrants , and nobody is held accountable?

It just doesn't make sense to me. It just doesn't add up.

I think alot of other people are asking those questions right now. And the fact that asking those questions would get you banned on Twitter and Facebook just adds more to the suspicious nature of it all.

Not remotely my point...

My point was that Beetlegeuse posts an article where the author complains that a claim of election fruad supposedly wasn't looked into yet a real noose was looked into.

Just so you know...
The person who held a press conference for the revealing of this "election fraud"...

For context, it’s worth noting that the director of the Amistad Project, Phill Kline, is the former Kansas attorney general who was indefinitely suspended from practicing law in Kansas in 2018, for engaging in “unethical tactics and committed professional misconduct during his investigations into abortion providers,” as reported by the Topeka Capital-Journal.

https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/...ing-the-claims

You know... a disbarred lawyer...

So the author is upset we don't take a disbarred lawyer seriously but...
Is upset that a noose found in a black man's garage was investigated.

It's called fanning the flames of your audience.

Look here...
They won't investigate crimes against our people but yes sirree they will investigate "crimes" against a black man.

It's called subtle racism.

Don't quite say it... just beat around the bush. It's the new way.

**Hughinn** · 03-18-2021, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Not remotely my point...

My point was that Beetlegeuse posts an article where the author complains that a claim of election fruad supposedly wasn't looked into yet a real noose was looked into.

Just so you know...
The person who held a press conference for the revealing of this "election fraud"...

For context, it’s worth noting that the director of the Amistad Project, Phill Kline, is the former Kansas attorney general who was indefinitely suspended from practicing law in Kansas in 2018, for engaging in “unethical tactics and committed professional misconduct during his investigations into abortion providers,” as reported by the Topeka Capital-Journal.

https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/...ing-the-claims

You know... a disbarred lawyer...

So the author is upset we don't take a disbarred lawyer seriously but...
Is upset that a noose found in a black man's garage was investigated.

It's called fanning the flames of your audience.

Look here...
They won't investigate crimes against our people but yes sirree they will investigate "crimes" against a black man.

It's called subtle racism.

Don't quite say it... just beat around the bush. It's the new way.

I guess the irony i see about you and tar, is that you seem to see racism in everything. All while looking out from liberal bubbles of whiteness from among priveledged company

I didn't get your point at first, because I don't think that way. Amd plus, you're projecting beetles point. I thought his point was a bias against conservatives and the media constantly race baiting as a diversion. Nothing racist about it. Or at least it looked that way to me. I believe that's because I don't look for it.

The irony of it with you and tar, is that your both anti racist liberals, living among white, relatively homogeneous places with other liberals (i mean hell, tar lives in maybe the whitest and least diverse place on earth. What the hell would he know about any of it? ) accusing others constantly of racism and seeing it everywhere. I do believe you intentions in your minds are well meaning. And I honestly do believe that.

I live in one of the most diverse places in America, spend most of my time around black, brown and Asian people, from my neighborhood to my workplace, to the communities around me, hell there are less white people than everyone else in many areas around here, and I seldom see any racism or racist behaviors from anybody for the larger part of human interactions. In reality everyone gets along pretty well, sure there are racist assholes of all colors to be found anywhere if you look hard enough. But the community in general is not racist. You see i live it, every day, and y'all talk it. Thats the difference. And the irony. Because what you say, is in contradiction to the reality-based experiences of the vast majority of typical Americans who actually live among diversity.

**tarmyg** · 03-18-2021, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Hughinn

The irony of it with you and tar, is that your both anti racist liberals, living among white, relatively homogeneous places with other liberals (i mean hell, tar lives in maybe the whitest and least diverse place on earth. What the hell would he know about any of it? ) accusing others constantly of racism and seeing it everywhere. I do believe you intentions in your minds are well meaning. And I honestly do believe that.

Imagine what you could learn about people if you asked questions instead of drawing conclusions?

**Hughinn** · 03-18-2021, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

Imagine what you could learn about people if you asked questions instead of drawing conclusions?

You see that's my point.

You live in the whitest place on the planet. With a relatively homogeneous society.
But you come here all the time and preach at people here about racism and diversity. Stuff you don't live with. At least not on the level others do.

You might ask questions and learn from people who live the things you preach. But you don't.

I think we could all learn from each other.
But it's not going to happen as long as people don't respect different perspectives.

Accusing the beetle of being a racist is refusing to even try to understand his perspective. I haven't seen him post anything racist. But it doesn't stop you from accusing him and drawing conclusions about things you don't understand.

We should all practice what we preach. And show more respect.

I mean me as well.

I think honestly that you guys do genuinely mean well. But, so do I. And I think beetle does too. He's just trying to disseminate news he feels is important. There's no reason to assume that just because s man leans right in his political beliefs that he's automatically a racist. That's utter horse hockey to automatically make that assumption. In Texas, people of all colors are right leaning politically.

And I guess I get frustrated that every time a topic comes up for debate, someone howls "racist", sexist, or some kind of ....ist or ....ism and the topic gets ignored.

**tarmyg** · 03-19-2021, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by Hughinn

You see that's my point.

You live in the whitest place on the planet. With a relatively homogeneous society.

I’ll repeat. Imagine how much you could learn about someone asking a few simple questions!

**Hughinn** · 03-19-2021, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

I’ll repeat. Imagine how much you could learn about someone asking a few simple questions!

Okay bud, let's see if we can learn something.

Where are you at?

Where have you been?

I'll ask you questions and you ask me questions. If you want to understand where a man's coming from, it helps to know where he's been.

Where I'm from there's a saying: , don't judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes.

**tarmyg** · 03-19-2021, 07:48 AM

Since you asked something in a semi-polite way I am going to respond in kind.

Originally Posted by Hughinn

Okay bud, let's see if we can learn something.

Where are you at?

We are currently in Sweden!

Where have you been?

Started the journey in Upstate NY (St. Lawrence County) in a tiny town (A few houses really). Stayed there until I started working. Got bored and went back to school. Got a scholarship and headed out to Sweden for 1-year. Met my future wife there. She wanted to get her Ph.D (me not so much) so we went to Cornell in Ithaca, NY. Went from there to SoCal (UCLA) where she did a PostDoc. Got a job in Germany after that so spent about 5 years there. While she was working there I worked in Berlin and then headed out to Kenya for 1 year. After that, we moved to India and spent the past 7-years there. Now, we just moved here to Sweden but not sure about staying. Might move to Denmark in a couple of years but that is not clear yet. About sums it up.

Is that helpful?

**Hughinn** · 03-19-2021, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

Since you asked something in a semi-polite way I am going to respond in kind.

We are currently in Sweden!

Started the journey in Upstate NY (St. Lawrence County) in a tiny town (A few houses really). Stayed there until I started working. Got bored and went back to school. Got a scholarship and headed out to Sweden for 1-year. Met my future wife there. She wanted to get her Ph.D (me not so much) so we went to Cornell in Ithaca, NY. Went from there to SoCal (UCLA) where she did a PostDoc. Got a job in Germany after that so spent about 5 years there. While she was working there I worked in Berlin and then headed out to Kenya for 1 year. After that, we moved to India and spent the past 7-years there. Now, we just moved here to Sweden but not sure about staying. Might move to Denmark in a couple of years but that is not clear yet. About sums it up.

Is that helpful?

Yeah it makes sense.

NY, SoCal, Berlin, Sweden, Kenya (undoubtedly some internship or humanitarian type venture)

I can't say it's a surprise in all honesty.

I admit I have never walked in your shoes. But let me ask further, and politely once again : have you ever had to fight many men ( i mean for real, where losing could be fatal under certain circumstances) or even just once? In defense of your life, or maybe for what little you had?

Have you ever had to worry about whether or not you could eat tomorrow? Or how you would pay for life or death medical care? Or how you would protect what you had from being robbed or stolen? How you could keep your woman safe by yourself? How to keep your family safe when you could not be there?

Have you been to any of those places sir?

**tarmyg** · 03-19-2021, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Hughinn

Yeah it makes sense.

NY, SoCal, Berlin, Sweden, Kenya (undoubtedly some internship or humanitarian type venture)

I can't say it's a surprise in all honesty.

I admit I have never walked in your shoes. But let me ask further, and politely once again : have you ever had to fight many men ( i mean for real, where losing could be fatal under certain circumstances) or even just once? In defense of your life, or maybe for what little you had?

Have you ever had to worry about whether or not you could eat tomorrow? Or how you would pay for life or death medical care? Or how you would protect what you had from being robbed or stolen? How you could keep your woman safe by yourself? How to keep your family safe when you could not be there?

Have you been to any of those places sir?

Not sure how to answer that honestly! What is the question behind the question?

**Hughinn** · 03-19-2021, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

Not sure how to answer that honestly! What is the question behind the question?

Well sir, for the sake of candor, I'll admit it's not really a question in the sense that I'm seeking an answer. Because I already know the answer, and you already know that.

So you called it correctly saying you seen a question behind the question.

My real question is, can you see where another man is coming from, even if you don't agree?

Most liberals have been to similar places that you mentioned, and few liberals have been to the places I mentioned. Or at least, once they have, they tend to no longer be liberals.

So it creates this sort of divide that we see every day even here. Educated liberals in thier smugness and sort of circular reaffirmation think they know about things they don't experience or live with. And conservatives fail to see the intent of liberals and focus on the folly.

Whereas it comes to my mind, that I believe y'all mean well, and in your mind have good intentions. Like trying to call out a man for racism for example.
The problem is, most of you don't understand what any of it really is or means in practice. Because you've learned all about it, and you've heard all about it. But most of you don't have to live with it, and have never really seen it.

So it just seems to me, like if we take the good intentions and desire to help people from one group, and look at the problem through the unfiltered eyes of the other group, then we've got a better chance of getting along and prospering.

And it starts with mutual respect.

So the question is: can you see where a man is coming from, even if you don't agree? Amd if not, can you try to understand?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 03-20-2021, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Hughinn

I admit I have never walked in your shoes. But let me ask further, and politely once again : have you ever had to fight many men ( i mean for real, where losing could be fatal under certain circumstances) or even just once? In defense of your life, or maybe for what little you had?

Have you ever had to worry about whether or not you could eat tomorrow? Or how you would pay for life or death medical care? Or how you would protect what you had from being robbed or stolen? How you could keep your woman safe by yourself? How to keep your family safe when you could not be there?

Have you been to any of those places sir?

Originally Posted by Hughinn

and few liberals have been to the places I mentioned. Or at least, once they have, they tend to no longer be liberals.

I fully disagree Hughinn...

The life you are describing sounds like what pretty much every poor inner city youth experiences.
And last I checked... cities vote democratic not republican.

But...
That was a beautifully worded attempt at trying to paint Republicans and yourself as the real macho men of America.
Tucker would be proud.
Fuck... maybe sumbit that to Breitbart.
They'll eat it up.

**Hughinn** · 03-20-2021, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I fully disagree Hughinn...

The life you are describing sounds like what pretty much every poor inner city youth experiences.
And last I checked... cities vote democratic not republican.

But...
That was a beautifully worded attempt at trying to paint Republicans and yourself as the real macho men of America.
Tucker would be proud.
Fuck... maybe sumbit that to Breitbart.
They'll eat it up.

Lol.

It's true many people in inner cities also have been to the places I've mentioned.
And many of them do vote democrat, I won't argue either point

However, few of them, if any, are liberals. And they're beginning to learn they've got far more in common with working class Republicans than white collar liberals. Just like working class and poor whites have learned the democrat party no longer represents them, or thier interests, because the democrat party is run by liberals, who have no bearing on the reality that most of us live.

My point stands.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 03-20-2021, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Hughinn

Lol.

It's true many people in inner cities also have been to the places I've mentioned.
And many of them do vote democrat, I won't argue either point

However, few of them, if any, are liberals. And they're beginning to learn they've got far more in common with working class Republicans than white collar liberals. Just like working class and poor whites have learned the democrat party no longer represents them, or thier interests, because the democrat party is run by liberals, who have no bearing on the reality that most of us live.

My point stands.

Until they start voting Republican I am calling this out as bullshit.

Keep spreading your vile hatred for 1/3rd of all Americans.

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**Hughinn** · 03-20-2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Until they start voting Republican I am calling this out as bullshit.

Keep spreading your vile hatred for 1/3rd of all Americans.

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You call it what you want sir. But the fact is Donald Trump had more support among the black and Latino voters than any republican since Abraham Lincoln. That can only mean many of them did indeed vote republican, And that support continues to grow , as Donald Trump tore the mask off the democrat party. People are awakening to the reality of what they are.

Support will continue to grow. I myself used to be union man and a staunch democrat. I voted strictly democrat for 14 years. Then my eyes got opened and I got the red pill. #walkaway is real sir.

Facts and event are not spreading hatred sir. It's telling the truth. Observable reality is not hatred, when it's called out for what it is.

**wango** · 03-20-2021, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Hughinn

Well sir, for the sake of candor, I'll admit it's not really a question in the sense that I'm seeking an answer. Because I already know the answer, and you already know that.

So you called it correctly saying you seen a question behind the question.

My real question is, can you see where another man is coming from, even if you don't agree?

Most liberals have been to similar places that you mentioned, and few liberals have been to the places I mentioned. Or at least, once they have, they tend to no longer be liberals.

So it creates this sort of divide that we see every day even here. Educated liberals in thier smugness and sort of circular reaffirmation think they know about things they don't experience or live with. And conservatives fail to see the intent of liberals and focus on the folly.

Whereas it comes to my mind, that I believe y'all mean well, and in your mind have good intentions. Like trying to call out a man for racism for example.
The problem is, most of you don't understand what any of it really is or means in practice. Because you've learned all about it, and you've heard all about it. But most of you don't have to live with it, and have never really seen it.

So it just seems to me, like if we take the good intentions and desire to help people from one group, and look at the problem through the unfiltered eyes of the other group, then we've got a better chance of getting along and prospering.

And it starts with mutual respect.

So the question is: can you see where a man is coming from, even if you don't agree? Amd if not, can you try to understand?

Hughinn, if you ever come to California let me know. Me and my buddy who is a die-hard republican and extremely conservative have the greatest talks over dinner and alcohol. You would be greatly welcome.

I have to say something though and I mean it simply as my observation (and I could be completely wrong). I think you pigeonhole people a lot and make assumptions regarding where you think that they are coming from. From our years of talks, my friend and I have tried to break that habit and I feel it has benefited both of us. I know it’s elevated the quality of our talks immensely.

**Hughinn** · 03-20-2021, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by wango

Hughinn, if you ever come to California let me know. Me and my buddy who is a die-hard republican and extremely conservative have the greatest talks over dinner and alcohol. You would be greatly welcome.

I have to say something though and I mean it simply as my observation (and I could be completely wrong). I think you pigeonhole people a lot and make assumptions regarding where you think that they are coming from. From our years of talks, my friend and I have tried to break that habit and I feel it has benefited both of us. I know it’s elevated the quality of our talks immensely.

I know I have those faults. I do pigeon hole people sometimes and make assumptions. I also come off alot as callous and abrasive. Especially so when I'm talking to certain people.

I spend most of time around pretty rough men. I try to remember we're not normal and when I deal with people outside that element, I try to tone it down, But I don't always tone it down enough.

Thanks for pointing it out wango.

I apologize if I came off as rude and callous to anybody who got offended. It wasn't my intention.

If get a chance to make it that way, I'd gladly drink with you brother

**wango** · 03-20-2021, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Hughinn

I know I have those faults. I do pigeon hole people sometimes and make assumptions. I also come off alot as callous and abrasive. Especially so when I'm talking to certain people.

I spend most of time around pretty rough men. I try to remember we're not normal and when I deal with people outside that element, I try to tone it down, But I don't always tone it down enough.

Thanks for pointing it out wango.

I apologize if I came off as rude and callous to anybody who got offended. It wasn't my intention.

If get a chance to make it that way, I'd gladly drink with you brother

No man, didn’t mean it to be a fault or a criticism!

It’s like if I was sitting with my friend, if we’d say something like that to each other, we each understand it as not a critique but just an observation and like yourself take it to heart and immediately consider it.

I hear you, there are times we have to act differently as much as we’d like to be 100% true to our nature. My first job in the south side of Chicago was an eye opener, but I adjusted and got along just great. But their f’n girlfriends could still out drink me sometimes! Drinking for 8 hours straight, easily 12 + beers down and they want to do more shots? Thank god I have a liver of iron.

Drinks and steaks are on me bro.

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