Final update on this cycle. Starting weight was 183ish around 12-13%BF. Weight a week before the end of cycle weight was 205. I was eating at 4400 for the last 3/4 of cycle. It ended up being 15 weeks. Ended at 700mg test and 400mg tren Ace. I started to feel like shit most of the time so it was time to come off. Currently off a month now and eating at 3800. Weight has come back down to 189 and my guess is around 15-16%BF. All in all I’m not impressed. I’m sure it has to do with my training and or sleep/diet. This is my fifth cycle and I have never seen even close to the results that I see others get from gear. I am going to say it’s something I’m doing wrong. Poor MMC perhaps. I may be moving the weight until I’m shot but maybe not getting enough of a contraction to promote growth. There are so many variables. I guess I just never realized this is such an exact science and one wrong variable gets you zero growth. What gets me is the young guys who show up at the gym and half ass everything then 5 months later you see them and they blew the hell up and have backne like nobody’s business and they are still half assing everything. Makes you wonder how they grow. Anyway the final result is I am up 6lbs from the start about 19 weeks ago but about 2-3% bodyfat higher. I will say I loved the mood and sex drive that tren gave me.