What is required to achieve success with AS

[Honkey_Kong]

Maybe not like him but a real and strong chest like jay cutler or kevin levrone or someone else...

Dude, Jay Cutler is a genetic freak. The only way you're going to get a chest like his is if you use a shitload of gear and have his genetics (and train and eat as hard as he does).

[TechnoTriceps]

Genetics plays a huge role but there's also a bit of trial and error when it comes to diet/training/compounds. There's no one size fits all, one guy says this worked for him while another guy says something else gave him the best results. Spending time learning how your body responds to training/diet/various compounds will help you figure out what works best for your genetics. Some people respond better to certain compounds while another person doesn't see nearly the same results with the same doses. The top bodybuilders aren't always taking the most gear, their genetics allow them to hyper-respond to amount of gear they are taking. I guess the good news is gene editing technology is advancing rapidly and perhaps in the next 5 to 10 years we'll all be able to edit our genes to make us mass monsters.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Genetics plays a huge role but there's also a bit of trial and error when it comes to diet/training/compounds. There's no one size fits all, one guy says this worked for him while another guy says something else gave him the best results. Spending time learning how your body responds to training/diet/various compounds will help you figure out what works best for your genetics. Some people respond better to certain compounds while another person doesn't see nearly the same results with the same doses. The top bodybuilders aren't always taking the most gear, their genetics allow them to hyper-respond to amount of gear they are taking. I guess the good news is gene editing technology is advancing rapidly and perhaps in the next 5 to 10 years we'll all be able to edit our genes to make us mass monsters.

Agree with trial and error, but if you are born with narrow shoulders, an ectomorph frame, a fast metabolism and thin bone structure, I don’t give a shit how much trial and error you do, how many incline flies and how many gallons of test, Deca, and tren you shoot into your ass…you’re not going to be a “mass monster” or have Arnold’s chest

Conversely, the “country strong” farm kid (we all know the one) that looks like a grown man in high school, fills out naturally and then trials and errors with compounds, food and technique will have an absolutely different result and probably won’t need nearly as much work.

Some people are just born with it…hence genetics and the answer of this thread. We all have our definition of what “success” is. But side by side, all things being the same. Diet, exercises, compounds, the unique modifier that is the true difference maker is who your parents are.

[Kiki]

Agree with trial and error, but if you are born with narrow shoulders, an ectomorph frame, a fast metabolism and thin bone structure, I don’t give a shit how much trial and error you do, how many incline flies and how many gallons of test, Deca, and tren you shoot into your ass…you’re not going to be a “mass monster” or have Arnold’s chest

Conversely, the “country strong” farm kid (we all know the one) that looks like a grown man in high school, fills out naturally and then trials and errors with compounds, food and technique will have an absolutely different result and probably won’t need nearly as much work.

Some people are just born with it…hence genetics and the answer of this thread. We all have our definition of what “success” is. But side by side, all things being the same. Diet, exercises, compounds, the unique modifier that is the true difference maker is who your parents are.

I think your view on ectomorphs is off. Thinner bones are a bonus some people recognize.

You do know the skeletal system can grow and strengthen with training right?

[DinAZ]

Dude, Jay Cutler is a genetic freak. The only way you're going to get a chest like his is if you use a shitload of gear and have his genetics (and train and eat as hard as he does).

He must be talking about Jay Cutler, former Chicago Bears quarterback, and not the bodybuilder.