Blood pressure treatment recommendations

[lovbyts]

The last 10 years my BP went from being normal to sky high. Ive always delt with stress very well. I never let it bother me and didnt focus on stress but my last marriage I think was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. The last few years its been without medication around 150/95 and even up to 175/105 but I always felt fine. Ill be honest and have not checked it for a couple of months but since I started taking BP medicine its been pretty normal again.

[Fiskevatten]

The last 10 years my BP went from being normal to sky high. Ive always delt with stress very well. I never let it bother me and didnt focus on stress but my last marriage I think was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. The last few years its been without medication around 150/95 and even up to 175/105 but I always felt fine. Ill be honest and have not checked it for a couple of months but since I started taking BP medicine its been pretty normal again.

Stress seems to be the real silent killer... I wouldn´t say I am a stressed guy, but definitely anxious and restless. Nothing no one ever sees, I look greatly confident as I have heard.
It was interesting to see that the BP medication has done nothing for my BP so far, but the Anxiety medication lowered it to perfect immediately.
Not sure about the science there, but on paper I guess it sounds like I do suffer from it more than I let through.
I have read that Flax Seeds can help some, so bought that today as well... Got a new girl home last night but was denied sexercise, so I had to take a extra large spoon of those damn
Flaxies to bring that stress down as well lol

But you have been through a lot as well brother, might be worth taking a look at again.

[< <Samson> >]

Sounds about right. . . Although I still need BP meds. But, when I start going off my rocker - my BP takes off

I’ve been able to control myself fairly well, considering

Same shit here - I’m “on” 24x7 when I do anything - there’s no room to show weakness

I’m married(still) - I don’t know if it’s a positive to my stress or negative at this point - it’s a total 50/50 - one day excellent, the next - it’s clearly my stressor < I took it for granted when it was 100% positive & didn’t know what I had


But, I stay on antipsychotics 24x7 - without em, well - - - - (I don’t take them during the day, but I’m on close to 2mg of XAnax daily)

[Honkey_Kong]

Sounds about right. . . Although I still need BP meds. But, when I start going off my rocker - my BP takes off

I’ve been able to control myself fairly well, considering

Same shit here - I’m “on” 24x7 when I do anything - there’s no room to show weakness

I’m married(still) - I don’t know if it’s a positive to my stress or negative at this point - it’s a total 50/50 - one day excellent, the next - it’s clearly my stressor < I took it for granted when it was 100% positive & didn’t know what I had


But, I stay on antipsychotics 24x7 - without em, well - - - - (I don’t take them during the day, but I’m on close to 2mg of XAnax daily)

Back when I had an RX for them, I was supposed to take the 1mg pills 3x a day. But it was long before I'd take 5 of them at a time (3x a day) and wash it down with a bottle of whiskey (otherwise it wouldn't work at all on me). I'd burn through the 90 pills really quickly and then just resort to research chem benzos for the rest of the month. Getting off of them was the worst hell I've ever been in. It's why I don't drink or do drugs at all.

[Test Monsterone]

Back when I had an RX for them, I was supposed to take the 1mg pills 3x a day. But it was long before I'd take 5 of them at a time (3x a day) and wash it down with a bottle of whiskey (otherwise it wouldn't work at all on me). I'd burn through the 90 pills really quickly and then just resort to research chem benzos for the rest of the month. Getting off of them was the worst hell I've ever been in. It's why I don't drink or do drugs at all.

Did you get panic attacks? I was taking some that my ex was getting prescribed and when I stopped, my anxiety went through the roof. I was getting multiple panic attacks a day. Severe ones like I thought I was dying. I’m now also drug free, living that DARE life. It’s interesting since I quit weed I got appendicitis, I’m getting daily headaches, the nausea is back again (dr thinks I will need the surgery after all), and I feel lethargic most days. Like it wasn’t enough dealing with withdrawals after 20 straight years, now this. I just want to feel normal now.

[Honkey_Kong]

Did you get panic attacks? I was taking some that my ex was getting prescribed and when I stopped, my anxiety went through the roof. I was getting multiple panic attacks a day. Severe ones like I thought I was dying. I’m now also drug free, living that DARE life. It’s interesting since I quit weed I got appendicitis, I’m getting daily headaches, the nausea is back again (dr thinks I will need the surgery after all), and I feel lethargic most days. Like it wasn’t enough dealing with withdrawals after 20 straight years, now this. I just want to feel normal now.

The panic attacks when I was coming off of them was worse than the ones I was taking the xanax to treat. The worst one for me was the panic attack, where you're breathing in and feeling like the air didn't do anything and that you're having a heart attack and are going to die. But also I had problems controlling my muscles. Like there'd be a pen on the table and I couldn't pick the pen up with my right hand. And everything was tense. The light in your eyes, even though you're in a pitch black room with your eyes closed. The hallucinations, the smells, the inability to sleep for weeks. You can't eat or drink anything (you have to force water down just to not dehydrate and the muscles controlling your ability to swallow aren't working right). Everything smelling disgusting. It was enough to bring me to that DARE life.

[lovbyts]

Ive been lucky and only ever had 1 panic attack and was able to deal with it logically and breath my way down in about 2 hrs. Havent had one since and have no idea what set it off. I know several people who have had panic attacks off and on that were devastation.

Just so you dont think I was full of BS, I have not taken any blood pressure meds in quite a while. I feel perfectly fine and honestly better than when my blood pressure is 120/80 but yeah I know everyone says its a silent killer. Well this is what it was today after waking up and getting ready for work.

Yeah its probably time to get back on the BP meds.

[Test Monsterone]

Don’t mess around with bp man. That’s what mine would look like with no meds. I also would feel fine when mine was high.

HK - yeah bro, I’ve been there with the panic attacks. The first one I ever had was in 2006. I was lifting and this dude was like yo can I get a spot? So we start talking and then he asks me if I blaze… I’m like hell yeah. We go to his place and he starts rolling a blunt and asks me if I ever rolled one dirty. I didn’t know what that was, so he tells me it’s when you sprinkle coke over the weed and roll it. I said fuck it I’ll try it. It wasn’t until I got home that I started feeling off and the 3 hour of hell ensued. I curled up in a ball and my arms were going numb while I was shaking and trying to breathe. The second one after that was again after a workout where I took this supplement called NO Shotgun which had a bunch of caffeine and L-Arginine. This was equally bad. The last time I had them was after quitting weed and stopping Xanax in 2012. They lasted like 6 months but got progressively better. That’s when I stopped lifting cause everything that raised my bp or heart rate would put me into a panic attack. I could t even walk up ramps or stairs at one point.

[< <Samson> >]

There’s a time & a place

It’s like me coming off the roids to have another kid - if I felt strongly enough about it, it’d already be done

I can pull off the Xans, it won’t be pretty & I’d need something/someone to fall back on - currently, I see it as my best option

Things change

I don’t take em for fun - seems like necessary evil that currently keeps me where I need to be

Speaking of which, I need to call my MD for more - it’s kinda nice having the “crazy card” I can pull at any time

[Fiskevatten]

Lovbyts - That is the BP my mom has more or less on medication and she got the TIA. Please be careful bro!

Damn you guys have had some horrible experiences with panic attacks. I mean, I´ve had a few, but I have always been able to calm me down enough. Granted, self harm was the way when
I was younger, and escaping to solitude when I was older until I calmed down. Worst part is that the attacks came with new symptoms like claustrophobia (never had that before), fear of conflict
that reacted to any and all sounds or negative words, inability to relax (couldn´t get my hair cut in some instances), ED took my dating away most of young life, commitment issues and whatnot.
So for me it wasn´t really the attacks per sé that was scary, but what they lead to which increased the crap even more since I tensed up even more (bad spiral).

These days I get sweaty, gloomy vision, heart clapping, spinning head, still ED from time to time, and inability to speak, so I space out trying to get back to focus. Funny part there is that it makes some who
are talking thinking I am not interested in what they have to say, but in reality I need a moment.
Has no triggers at all, can come at any time randomly.
But I feel blessed for having just that compared to old me or what others goes through on a daily basis, or have gone through.

You have all managed to scare me away from anxiety meds though haha

[< <Samson> >]

I’ve never had a panic attack


When my 1st seizure hit, I thought it was a panic attack - a month later I hemorrhaged

I don’t quite understand panic attacks. . .when anxiety hits, I just can’t sleep - I don’t get racing thoughts, I don’t get shit - I just can’t shut off to sleep

[Test Monsterone]

I’ve never had a panic attack


When my 1st seizure hit, I thought it was a panic attack - a month later I hemorrhaged

I don’t quite understand panic attacks. . .when anxiety hits, I just can’t sleep - I don’t get racing thoughts, I don’t get shit - I just can’t shut off to sleep

Imagine you’re on an airplane and it suddenly starts barrel rolling toward the ground. That’s a panic attack.

[Fiskevatten]

Imagine you’re on an airplane and it suddenly starts barrel rolling toward the ground. That’s a panic attack.

Exactly that, but internal and many times there is no danger.
It´s like you are a victim in a Saw movie and the time is ticking down, you have no clue what to do, no clue why you are there (why it feels like it feels),
but you do what you can to respond rational and calm to the best of your abilities.

Will head back to Heart Clinic today, the BP meds doesn´t change a singel digit. Even after a Aroma massage it was up to 150/72...
I know the Test is doing its work, so I will take bloods for Hormone Panel as well today.

Strange thing is that I´a much more sensitive to E2, even 25mg daily Aromasin (maybe bunk) doesn´t take away pain in nipps fully, so that
might explain the BP meds failing as well, and don´t wanna risk crashing E2 either.
A little moody some days (sensitive, not angry), no lumps.
It does control my water weight however, I still don´t look puffy, but I have gained 6-8kg since I started, that is waaay to much waterweight (depending on day).
No strength increase.
I feel heavy a few times a day, like needing to breath after just talking or walking the stairs - might need CBC.
Sodium intake is at a minimum, basically just eat chicken, steak, rice, potato, eggs, soymilk, protein yoghurt, fruit/ sallad, and
supplements (extra strong multivitamin, Omega 3, Gluthamine, creatine, gainer, whey, and digestive enzymes.

Also makes me question if my diet is enough for building muscle, since I can´t focus on the carbs gaining this fast.
Just 4th week on Test E 750 only besides the HCG.

Will be an interesting day to check. Moving to a new room in a week were I can cook myself (staying in hotel right now).

[Honkey_Kong]

I’ve never had a panic attack


When my 1st seizure hit, I thought it was a panic attack - a month later I hemorrhaged

I don’t quite understand panic attacks. . .when anxiety hits, I just can’t sleep - I don’t get racing thoughts, I don’t get shit - I just can’t shut off to sleep

Imagine having a heart attack, except instead of a blockage in your heart, it's all in your head. You even feel chest pain and shortness of breath and intense fear of impending doom. You'll get that tingling feeling shooting down your arm too. And a good 20 or 30 mins later it starts to go away and you're back to normal.

[Test Monsterone]

That’s the thing, too, that you’ll be in a seemingly normal situation and you feel that way. On the one hand you feel like you’re dying, on the other you’re trying to keep cool. I’d get pissed too, like turn the fucking music off, tell that bitch to stfu, just tying to breathe.

[< <Samson> >]

Word


Are you aware that it's "just" a panic attack? Or, is it more of wtf is going on rn?


I thought mine was a panic attack & it felt somewhat similar to what you both describe(couldn't breathe out of nowhere, heart beat & bp just took off, etc.) - it was my 1st seizure - this was about 2-3 weeks before my intracranial explosion


After the hemorrhage was found, it all started to make sense

[Honkey_Kong]

Word


Are you aware that it's "just" a panic attack? Or, is it more of wtf is going on rn?


I thought mine was a panic attack & it felt somewhat similar to what you both describe(couldn't breathe out of nowhere, heart beat & bp just took off, etc.) - it was my 1st seizure - this was about 2-3 weeks before my intracranial explosion


After the hemorrhage was found, it all started to make sense

The first time it happens, you're not. But after you've been proven that you didn't have a heart attack and that it's panic, you'll still have it and even if you accept it's a panic attack that you're having, it'll still be the same if not worse. Logic and knowing the truth has nothing to do with the feeling you're having. You'll feel it going on and at first you'll tell yourself "it's just a panic attack, it'll fade away" and then moments later you're like "what if it's real this time???"

And knowing that's what your seizure felt like, next time I have a panic attack it may come in to my mind that I'm having a seizure. It makes no sense, it's your body sending you fear messages for no reason.

[Test Monsterone]

Spot on, HK. Are you still having them?

[Honkey_Kong]

Spot on, HK. Are you still having them?

Not any major ones. Usually if I lay funny with my weight on my chest, I'll start feeling one coming on and I'll just stand up and wait it out.

[Fiskevatten]

Exactly right above, being rational helps nada at the moment, might shorten it down a few seconds..

Went back and got new BP medication since first didn't work. Called Twynsta 40/5 (Telmisartan/ Amlodipine).
Took 1 last night per rec and got a red face, drowsy feeling and one hour later gone.
No effect then or this morning on BP.
Had 152/73 waking up and 147/77 two hours last night after tab.

[Fiskevatten]

Labs back!

- SHBG a little low, just a notch.
- RDW is a little high, just a notch.
- E2 at 27 (ref. 11-44, not sensitive)
- Total T 3461 (Damn)
- Free T 136
- Bio T 3224
Albumin and rest if CBC normal.
Haven't checked remaining, will do that mid cycle.

BP same, not a single digit different yet from the standard up and down within above range.

[< <Samson> >]

How much test r u on?

[Fiskevatten]

How much test r u on?

750 test e/ week and hcg 1000 iu/week (500 didn't cut it for my easter eggs)

[< <Samson> >]

750 test e/ week and hcg 1000 iu/week (500 didn't cut it for my easter eggs)

Daum

Why so much?

I never seen much benefit in any way from loading up on test


Kinda y I stick to lower test, combined with compounds

[Fiskevatten]

Daum

Why so much?

I never seen much benefit in any way from loading up on test


Kinda y I stick to lower test, combined with compounds

500 has been the base more or less for me in the past, often with an oral and it has worked well.
I wanted to skip the orals this time to test if test is enough.
I am interested in other compounds as injectables, but I have way to little experience with them
and scared what they may or may not do to my body.
Deca is definately something I wanna try, but just the mentioning of deca dick scares me since
I love flirting and jumping in bed, and live in Asia at that haha
I know you can control it, but I feel too inexperienced there.

Another factor is how fast it will push me towards TRT compared to just test.

Primo reading on it feels contraproductive to my current goals, but looking at friends who takes
it seems to do wonders.

I might add an oral in end just to push the last few weeks, but currently I feel that if I tweak my diet
a little I will have the body I want on just test. However, the time OFF is always the hassle to keep that
shape.

[Fiskevatten]

Seems machines vary as well.

Checking BP today at lab (Omron model) and got 127/63 which is amazing on both arms.
Back home to my own Omron and got 147/67.

I was so happy for a while there since I thought something I ate/ did might work and tried to retrace.
Now with home results it went back to meh...

Strength and gains are coming again, up to 97,3kgs now and increase everyday.
So far I don´t look puffy and Nolva helped my sensitive nipps where Aromasin could not.
Few acne that hurts like a mf though from time to time, not much luckily.

Has become harder to keep erection and harder to cum, but viagra helps immensely.
Not has horny as I was just a week ago, starting to balance out.

[< <Samson> >]

I have 3 wrist cuff monitors - each one varies by up to 10 points

When I go to donate, they use the hospital type machine with a large(18”+) arm cuff - it always reads way lower than my home wrist cuffs - so, I dunno

At home I’ll read about mid 130’s/70’s - go in, it’s in the high 120’s/low 70’s

I don’t stress it much anymore - between my 2 BP meds + 5mg of daily cialis, it’s as good as it gets

[lovbyts]

I have 3 wrist cuff monitors - each one varies by up to 10 points

When I go to donate, they use the hospital type machine with a large(18”+) arm cuff - it always reads way lower than my home wrist cuffs - so, I dunno

At home I’ll read about mid 130’s/70’s - go in, it’s in the high 120’s/low 70’s

I don’t stress it much anymore - between my 2 BP meds + 5mg of daily cialis, it’s as good as it gets

I remember when they use to say wait here, I need to get the larger cuff. Damn shoulders.

[< <Samson> >]

I remember when they use to say wait here, I need to get the larger cuff. Damn shoulders.

^ that needs to be in the “what motivates you” thread

I’m still one inch shy of 20” cannons that I’ve always wanted - but, I have retained my size so far - brain hemorrhaged & all

[Fiskevatten]

I remember when they use to say wait here, I need to get the larger cuff. Damn shoulders.

It´s the finest type of compliment in our line of interest!

Have received an order of garlic extract (trying that instead of oil since more allicin), and cordyceps.
Also ordered a mix version for BP (natural supplement).
Also added lime in water intake each night and coconut water mornings, just hope the potassium doesn't
mess with the BP meds.

BP was 137/73 now so not dying yet at least.

Stressful day today, business going to shits and X on my throat, so I am thinking of buying a motorcycle
to feel better.
Might get the new model of CB650R tomorrow, looked and sounded great, tons of power but still comfortable.
Seems BP will be the least of my deathly issues now haha

[lovbyts]

It´s the finest type of compliment in our line of interest!

Have received an order of garlic extract (trying that instead of oil since more allicin), and cordyceps.
Also ordered a mix version for BP (natural supplement).
Also added lime in water intake each night and coconut water mornings, just hope the potassium doesn't
mess with the BP meds.

BP was 137/73 now so not dying yet at least.

Stressful day today, business going to shits and X on my throat, so I am thinking of buying a motorcycle
to feel better.
Might get the new model of CB650R tomorrow, looked and sounded great, tons of power but still comfortable.
Seems BP will be the least of my deathly issues now haha

IMO buying a motorcycle would not be the right move because when you are stressed/pissed off you will take it out while riding and you dont want to become bug splatter on someones windshield. Ive had a couple bikes and after driving way to fast due to Adrenalin from being pissed/stressed I sold it before I killed myself.
Now buying a dirt bike, atv, pwc or another toy is something else because it gives you a little cool off time before you can get out and play.

[charger69]

IMO buying a motorcycle would not be the right move because when you are stressed/pissed off you will take it out while riding and you dont want to become bug splatter on someones windshield. Ive had a couple bikes and after driving way to fast due to Adrenalin from being pissed/stressed I sold it before I killed myself.
Now buying a dirt bike, atv, pwc or another toy is something else because it gives you a little cool off time before you can get out and play.

Exactly the reason that I do not buy one. LOL


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[lovbyts]

Went to the Dr and it was lower than normal
117/79.

Today its to low for some reason and been feeling dizzy when I stand. I sit right away, I know better.

75/50 and lower sometimes. Weird.

[lovbyts]

Today feeling normal but still a little low. 111/75

[wango]

Went to the Dr and it was lower than normal
117/79.

Today its to low for some reason and been feeling dizzy when I stand. I sit right away, I know better.

75/50 and lower sometimes. Weird.

Just this year experiencing orthostatic hypotension when standing from prolonged sitting. I’ve been fortunate, 4 falls, but only one requiring 911 and the ER. Plus just added a second BP med this week, so now I’m on super high alert. Getting up from sitting down is easily a 60 second process. Good luck with your issues - word of caution, don’t fall on your face or your head, there’s unconsciousness & lots of blood.

[lovbyts]

Just this year experiencing orthostatic hypotension when standing from prolonged sitting. I’ve been fortunate, 4 falls, but only one requiring 911 and the ER. Plus just added a second BP med this week, so now I’m on super high alert. Getting up from sitting down is easily a 60 second process. Good luck with your issues - word of caution, don’t fall on your face or your head, there’s unconsciousness & lots of blood.

Mine it didnt matter how long of a process I took I was dizzy to the point of passing out almost every time and once even when sitting on the floor, I had to lay down. It lasted probably 4-5 hours before I started to feel normal again and even then it was really low.

The next morning it was much better, 111/75. Luckily I am very good at not trying to power through stuff like that and am quick to sit on the ground. Ive seen to many people just stand there or try to hold them-self up. Even my wife said to me when she got home from work later if I every passed out she wouldn't know what to do because she couldn't lift me. I said lift me? Why are you trying to pick me up, so I can fall? I explained to her if you see someone pass out and they are on the ground DONT try to make them sit or stand because they cant get more injured. Only move someone if they are in a life threatening position or situation.

[wango]

Mine it didnt matter how long of a process I took I was dizzy to the point of passing out almost every time and once even when sitting on the floor, I had to lay down. It lasted probably 4-5 hours before I started to feel normal again and even then it was really low.

The next morning it was much better, 111/75. Luckily I am very good at not trying to power through stuff like that and am quick to sit on the ground. Ive seen to many people just stand there or try to hold them-self up. Even my wife said to me when she got home from work later if I every passed out she wouldn't know what to do because she couldn't lift me. I said lift me? Why are you trying to pick me up, so I can fall? I explained to her if you see someone pass out and they are on the ground DONT try to make them sit or stand because they cant get more injured. Only move someone if they are in a life threatening position or situation.

Another gift of aging. . . . and they just keep giving. If it ever happens in public (like after dinner), I may not eat out ever again (although there is eating out in the privacy of your own home )

[Fiskevatten]

Woaa you went from high to THAT low Lovbyts? Talk about jump!

I was this morning 149/60, so all the natural remedies and Twynsta (BP Med) has only lowered dystolic for some reason, systolic stays high.
When I take the BP med at night I can get it down to 139/60, but that is only at night, during day it´s high.

Granted, I am more stressed again and sleep worse, but I am still 20-30 points to high from optimal.
Will head to hospital today and talk with them.

However, I feel great! Might be the test lol

[< <Samson> >]

I don’t remember(I don’t feel like re-reading the whole thread)

R u taking any anti psychotics or anything now?

[Fiskevatten]

I don’t remember(I don’t feel like re-reading the whole thread)

R u taking any anti psychotics or anything now?

Nothing at all, have never taken it before either besides the experience I got at the dentist which was great.
I feel rather calm, but definitely unbalanced at the moment so do my best to relax.

Doc tested with machine and with traditional "manual pump" check - Machine there gave me 130/76 bp on two tries, but the manual
check gave me 150 systolic, so he wanted to keep me on same medication since he says it´s working.

He was very concerned with my ped use and said Test was way to high.
It was not for the BP mainly that he was concerned, but the risk of prostate cancer.