Hardgainers ("beta males", guys built like Harry Styles), did AAS give you big gains?

[Killah_Keith]

My brother has been a so-called "Hard gainer" his entire life. Never been over 150lb and he's 5'10

I told him the same thing I told you. Except for I gave him a very specific meal plan and training regimen.

16 Weeks later he's 165lb. And maybe one or two percent body fat % higher. No gear, not even TRT. And he's 36 years old.

Bench went from 145 to 225
Squat went from 185 to 315
Deadlift went from 275 to 375

All Raw, and again...100% natural. His total T is only around 400.



Did you make this thread just to complain, or actually get advice?

[TheGypsyKing]

My brother has been a so-called "Hard gainer" his entire life. Never been over 150lb and he's 5'10

I told him the same thing I told you. Except for I gave him a very specific meal plan and training regimen.

16 Weeks later he's 165lb. And maybe one or two percent body fat % higher. No gear, not even TRT. And he's 36 years old.

Bench went from 145 to 225
Squat went from 185 to 315
Deadlift went from 275 to 375

All Raw, and again...100% natural. His total T is only around 400.

Dude, your bro was weak as hell. Sounds like he barely lifted. Thumb is broken rn, but can generally bench around 240. Can squat 300'ish and Dead 330'ish when my knee didn't have a tear. Sounds like your bro put on weight because he finally put in some work. I put in work like an NFL player. And can easily consume 4,000 calories a day for months on end, and put on weight, that ain't muscle...

Did you make this thread just to complain, or actually get advice?

[Killah_Keith]

Dude, your bro was weak as hell. Sounds like he barely lifted. Thumb is broken rn, but can generally bench around 240. Can squat 300'ish and Dead 330'ish when my knee didn't have a tear. Sounds like your bro put on weight because he finally put in some work. I put in work like an NFL player. And can easily consume 4,000 calories a day for months on end, and put on weight, that ain't muscle...

Did you make this thread just to complain, or actually get advice?

The difference here. He didn't complain on the internet. He put in the work. Yes. And accomplished it naturally. With low T. And injuries as well.

Strength is relative to oneself.

I lift double your numbers.

Plenty of people lift double my numbers.

And there are still people stronger than that.

You're obviously a beta manlit.

[TheGypsyKing]

The difference here. He didn't complain on the internet. He put in the work. Yes. And accomplished it naturally. With low T. And injuries as well.

Strength is relative to oneself.

I lift double your numbers.

Plenty of people lift double my numbers.

And there are still people stronger than that.

You're obviously a beta manlit.

lol so you bench 480 and squat 600 and there's plenty of people who bench 960 and squat 1200?? Love these forums. Buncha dudes with naturally good physical genes, bad mental genetics, and dope on test and chalk it all up to hard work. Let me see you get Jevon Kearse big then... I mean it's just diet and exercise and willpower. I mean why stop there... let's see you go for the Aaron Donald aesthetic. Just a little accountability is all it takes. lmao.

[Honkey_Kong]

lol so you bench 480 and squat 600 and there's plenty of people who bench 960 and squat 1200?? Love these forums. Buncha dudes with naturally good physical genes, bad mental genetics, and dope on test and chalk it all up to hard work. Let me see you get Jevon Kearse big then... I mean it's just diet and exercise and willpower. I mean why stop there... let's see you go for the Aaron Donald aesthetic. Just a little accountability is all it takes. lmao.

You were the one talking shit about what other people lift and TBH what you said you lift is pretty newb. And by the way, there's plenty of people who bench 960 and squat 1200? How many people in the world have a 900lb bench or a 1000lb squat?

[TheGypsyKing]

You were the one talking shit about what other people lift and TBH what you said you lift is pretty newb. And by the way, there's plenty of people who bench 960 and squat 1200? How many people in the world have a 900lb bench or a 1000lb squat?

Christ almighty, dude. You said you lift double what I lift, and said there's plenty of people who lift double what you lift. It's simple multiplication.

And YOU were the one who brought up numbers. Which were small numbers. Then clowned my numbers which were about the same or higher than the numbers you brought up. LOL. Unreal.

[Honkey_Kong]

Christ almighty, dude. You said you lift double what I lift, and said there's plenty of people who lift double what you lift. It's simple multiplication.

And YOU were the one who brought up numbers. Which were small numbers. Then clowned my numbers which were about the same or higher than the numbers you brought up. LOL. Unreal.

I think you need to re-read the thread. I didn't say anything. I saw you talking shit about whatt that guy lifts and then the numbers you claim to lift are something I'd expect a noob to be lifting.

You know the old expression "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"

[Killah_Keith]

lol so you bench 480 and squat 600 and there's plenty of people who bench 960 and squat 1200?? Love these forums. Buncha dudes with naturally good physical genes, bad mental genetics, and dope on test and chalk it all up to hard work. Let me see you get Jevon Kearse big then... I mean it's just diet and exercise and willpower. I mean why stop there... let's see you go for the Aaron Donald aesthetic. Just a little accountability is all it takes. lmao.

You don't deserve a response, but I'm taking a shit So I'll give you one.

Also this may be helpful to someone that's actually willing to accept advice.

I spent three years stuck at 185lbs. No real progress was made. In either strength or conditioning. Training consistently. Not breaking diet. Doing everything I thought I could. BUT I WAS DOING IT WRONG!

I finally was able to listen and learn. No more complaints. The information is out there. But are you willing to first listen, second adhere to it?

2 years later. Now I walk around at 215. Which is the upper limit of my walk around weight. Lean bulks will get up towards the 225 range.

I compete at 198lb.

I do not need to list my accolades. But in the martial arts community. You are that spazzy white belt that just need to shut the fuck and do what you're told. You would be laughed out of any real Powerlifting gym. Not because of your lack of strength. But with your obvious beta manlit ego-driven mentality. Forget bodybuilding. You would never stomach the months of force feeding followed by the deathbed starvation. You're not only weak in body, but also in mind.

Ask questions a year from now when you've earned the right.

[TheGypsyKing]

You don't deserve a response, but I'm taking a shit So I'll give you one.

Also this may be helpful to someone that's actually willing to accept advice.

I spent three years stuck at 185lbs. No real progress was made. In either strength or conditioning. Training consistently. Not breaking diet. Doing everything I thought I could. BUT I WAS DOING IT WRONG!

I finally was able to listen and learn. No more complaints. The information is out there. But are you willing to first listen, second adhere to it?

2 years later. Now I walk around at 215. Which is the upper limit of my walk around weight. Lean bulks will get up towards the 225 range.

I compete at 198lb.

I do not need to list my accolades. But in the martial arts community. You are that spazzy white belt that just need to shut the fuck and do what you're told. You would be laughed out of any real Powerlifting gym. Not because of your lack of strength. But with your obvious beta manlit ego-driven mentality. Forget bodybuilding. You would never stomach the months of force feeding followed by the deathbed starvation. You're not only weak in body, but also in mind.

Ask questions a year from now when you've earned the right.

I'm an Army Ranger. So shut your f'n mouth about weak in body or mind. I've taken heads at close range and survived shit you've never even had nightmares of going through. But yeah tell me about how alpha you are because you eat 4,000 calories a day. Big MAGA guy?

[Mooseman33]

I'm an Army Ranger. So shut your f'n mouth about weak in body or mind. I've taken heads at close range and survived shit you've never even had nightmares of going through. But yeah tell me about how alpha you are because you eat 4,000 calories a day. Big MAGA guy?

easy tough guy. I know many rangers, and none would brag about it on a forum online for illegal substances.

slow ur fucking role please. do not forget u came for help, and alot has been provided. If u do not like the answers then cease asking questions as ur skin is not thick enough. Remember its a forum for hormones, u will always get good, bad, and just plain fucking dumb responses.

we are here to help, we can all work together for the same goal.

[Honkey_Kong]

I'm an Army Ranger. So shut your f'n mouth about weak in body or mind. I've taken heads at close range and survived shit you've never even had nightmares of going through. But yeah tell me about how alpha you are because you eat 4,000 calories a day. Big MAGA guy?

Do you play Call of Duty on Xbox? Playstation? Or PC?

[Honkey_Kong]

Dude, your bro was weak as hell. Sounds like he barely lifted. Thumb is broken rn, but can generally bench around 240. Can squat 300'ish and Dead 330'ish when my knee didn't have a tear. Sounds like your bro put on weight because he finally put in some work. I put in work like an NFL player. And can easily consume 4,000 calories a day for months on end, and put on weight, that ain't muscle...

Did you make this thread just to complain, or actually get advice?

If you're benching 240, squatting 300 and deadlifting 330, you really shouldn't be talking shit about what somebody else lifts.