Hoping for some trt and hgh advice at 55

[Beenonvaca]

To your comment on the duration of dosing the nandro, I am all ears to advice and/or others experience on this- maybe a really low dose would still provide joint pain reduction??

The more I learn the more there seems I need to learn, lol!!

So as I mentioned in my previous post I’m pinning eod, t an nandro, together.
Using an insulin pin im, however after reading of others injecting sub-q
I did a little research-
I came across one study where 232 men were split into two groups of, im, and sub-q.
The results were overwhelmingly better in the 116 patients that were injecting sub-q.
The sub-q group had higher t levels, considerably lower estrogen conversion and lower hematocrit.
This all sounds like it’s worth giving sub-q a try.
I’m currently injecting.77ml of oil eod, which equates to the fore mentioned dose. From what I have read injecting more than .5ml sub-q will create issues with oil absorption by the fat resulting in lumps.
I’m sure this has been covered before somewhere here but I haven’t found anything on this, so my apologies for the redundant question.
Also any other advice on your experiences in relation to sub-q vs im would be helpful. ✌��

[956Vette]

To your comment on the duration of dosing the nandro, I am all ears to advice and/or others experience on this- maybe a really low dose would still provide joint pain reduction??

The more I learn the more there seems I need to learn, lol!!

So as I mentioned in my previous post I’m pinning eod, t an nandro, together.
Using an insulin pin im, however after reading of others injecting sub-q
I did a little research-
I came across one study where 232 men were split into two groups of, im, and sub-q.
The results were overwhelmingly better in the 116 patients that were injecting sub-q.
The sub-q group had higher t levels, considerably lower estrogen conversion and lower hematocrit.
This all sounds like it’s worth giving sub-q a try.
I’m currently injecting.77ml of oil eod, which equates to the fore mentioned dose. From what I have read injecting more than .5ml sub-q will create issues with oil absorption by the fat resulting in lumps.
I’m sure this has been covered before somewhere here but I haven’t found anything on this, so my apologies for the redundant question.
Also any other advice on your experiences in relation to sub-q vs im would be helpful. ✌��

Please help us on the math, as it appears you could be doing 150mg test/deca eod (assuming your test and deca is 200mg/mL)?

Personally, would rather not inject more than .3-.4mL oil subq. To avoid lumps, aim for an IM inject with your .5" slin pin...often yields a shallow IM which some product inevitably lands subq...could be a compromise to experiment with.

Been running nandro for a few years straight...goal is to make it to decade and reevaluate.

[Cylon357]

To your comment on the duration of dosing the nandro, I am all ears to advice and/or others experience on this- maybe a really low dose would still provide joint pain reduction??

The more I learn the more there seems I need to learn, lol!!

So as I mentioned in my previous post I’m pinning eod, t an nandro, together.
Using an insulin pin im, however after reading of others injecting sub-q
I did a little research-
I came across one study where 232 men were split into two groups of, im, and sub-q.
The results were overwhelmingly better in the 116 patients that were injecting sub-q.
The sub-q group had higher t levels, considerably lower estrogen conversion and lower hematocrit.
This all sounds like it’s worth giving sub-q a try.
I’m currently injecting.77ml of oil eod, which equates to the fore mentioned dose. From what I have read injecting more than .5ml sub-q will create issues with oil absorption by the fat resulting in lumps.
I’m sure this has been covered before somewhere here but I haven’t found anything on this, so my apologies for the redundant question.
Also any other advice on your experiences in relation to sub-q vs im would be helpful. ✌��

Sub-q vs IM is an open source of debate. Some studies (and personal experiences) indicate a preference for one vs the other. I'm sure sometimes this is less objective and more subjective ie a person just likes one way better just because.

You are correct in thinking that .77ml would be pushing it sub-q. I'm doing .20 in GSO with no issues thus far and feel like I could probably make it to .30 maybe .40 (as @956Vette suggests) without problem. If you really need to inject this much EOD (again, reference @956Vette's post on volume), you should probably just go ahead and do ED injections. That would put you around .38 each injection, which would be at the higher end but probably doable.

I have found from personal experience that back filling a fresh insulin pin makes a huge difference vs drawing and injecting with the same pin. 27g 1/2" works well for me, though at the low volumes I am presently doing I might go even shorter. Probably not but I DO have some 8mm 28g pins lying around... might give those a go at some point.

Finally, you might also inject in two different spots EOD rather than going to ED (which can get old). That is, inject sub-q in the glute region, a little on both sides, then maybe similar technique on the abdomen the next time. Rotate those spots and any others you like.

[Beenonvaca]

Correction the nandro is aspen