First Cycle / Taking anti-depresants

[s1nc1ty]

Listen i dont have phd in biochemistry or sports science or medicine or anything but you dont have to be einstein to see when guys get offvthe juice theyr muscles deflate. Been around the block enough to see it happen many times and read on the subject. Are you saying what i wrote is incorrect? I might explain it bad or wrong but the the essence of what i wrote is correct is it not?

If i am incorrect, please by all means, call me out on it, prove me wrong etc im happy to learn better if im inccordct.

When did you get off peds last time to even see what is "permanent" and whats not? My advice was targeted for person who is not on trt already

Sure the guy can do his 500 migs test cycle and be bigger for a while but in terms of long term effect the 1 cycle is like a fart in the wind

[Honkey_Kong]

Listen i dont have phd in biochemistry or sports science or medicine or anything but you dont have to be einstein to see when guys get offvthe juice theyr muscles deflate. Been around the block enough to see it happen many times and read on the subject. Are you saying what i wrote is incorrect? I might explain it bad or wrong but the the essence of what i wrote is correct is it not?

If i am incorrect, please by all means, call me out on it, prove me wrong etc im happy to learn better if im inccordct.

When did you get off peds last time to even see what is "permanent" and whats not? My advice was targeted for person who is not on trt already

Sure the guy can do his 500 migs test cycle and be bigger for a while but in terms of long term effect the 1 cycle is like a fart in the wind

you're on a TRT and not a forever cruise, nearly all of the gains above what your body can handle (at a normal test level_ will eventually go away. You can slow it down with good training, dieting and rest. Besides, I don't know too many people that just want to do one cycle anyways (although I'm sure there are those people out there). From my experience and from what I've seen, everybody just wants to get bigger and stronger. Up until we reach that age where we have to start thinking about whether the health risks are worth it for some size and strength.

[Scorpion0922]

Listen i dont have phd in biochemistry or sports science or medicine or anything but you dont have to be einstein to see when guys get offvthe juice theyr muscles deflate. Been around the block enough to see it happen many times and read on the subject. Are you saying what i wrote is incorrect? I might explain it bad or wrong but the the essence of what i wrote is correct is it not?

If i am incorrect, please by all means, call me out on it, prove me wrong etc im happy to learn better if im inccordct.

When did you get off peds last time to even see what is "permanent" and whats not? My advice was targeted for person who is not on trt already

Sure the guy can do his 500 migs test cycle and be bigger for a while but in terms of long term effect the 1 cycle is like a fart in the wind

You're not wrong but you're stereotyping. PLEANTY of guys keep gains after a cycle, never all but to say he will eventually lose everythng is not true.

The guys that lose everything A) don't diet during or after a cycle (or both) B) do not use PCT ....to say that a person will eventually lose ALL of his gains after a cycle is not true.

[s1nc1ty]

You're not wrong but you're stereotyping. PLEANTY of guys keep gains after a cycle, never all but to say he will eventually lose everythng is not true.

The guys that lose everything A) don't diet during or after a cycle (or both) B) do not use PCT ....to say that a person will eventually lose ALL of his gains after a cycle is not true.

I didnt mean that will loose everything right after the cycle, but with time.6 months, year etc after the cycle i meant, eventually will loose most of it, if not all. If you damage your hormone system and your not on trt possibly might even end in a net loss of muscle some day then if you hadnt done the cycles.

[Scorpion0922]

I didnt mean that will loose everything right after the cycle, but with time.6 months, year etc after the cycle i meant, eventually will loose most of it, if not all. If you damage your hormone system and your not on trt possibly might even end in a net loss of muscle some day then if you hadnt done the cycles.

We'll have to agree to disagree.