First Cycle / Taking anti-depresants

[heller190]

Hello everybody.
I am 24 years old, 5*11 , I weight 185 pounds. Been going to the gym for 4 years

I have been taking 5mg of Lexapro and 15 MG of Mirtazphine for the past 5 months, because I had anxiety/depression and I have IBS as well. However since I started taking them my life improved significantly.

I would like to start my first cycle and I would like to be suggested a simple decent first cycle, I was thinking about test/deca.

I would like to know if anybody has any idea if the anti-depressants might interact with the anabolic steroids or the PCT

[songdog]

1st cycle test only really your 1st couple cycles test is all you need.Because if you had a bad reaction you wouldn't know wat caused it.I ran cycles on meds but not yours.

[heller190]

Okay I will run only test then, 500mg a week of Test-e
What about PCT, HCG? and what anti-estrogen should I run during the cycle?

[Too-$mall]

SSRIs (anti depressents) can noticeably increase estrogen (e2) you'll have that and estrogen increase from the testosterone increase to deal with. there is also the prolactin / Progesterone from Deca. for that you will need a dopamine antagonist (DA). i suggest you get some HCG too. for anti estrogen i like aromasin and for a DA i like prami, but everyone is a fan of caber. i'd only use the caber/prami / DA if you're getting sides from the deca.

https://www.steroidal.com/steroids-n...ing-confusion/

i support the test only cycle suggestion. it will give you more clarity for how sensitive to E2 you are. you dont want to be jacked and have itty bitty boobies. dead give away for somebody that's using PEDs. lots of bad stuff can happen. take your time.

[heller190]

Okay can you write me what PCT, anti-esrogen I should run?
For how long and when and amount of dose.

Thank you.

[teedoff]

Okay can you write me what PCT, anti-esrogen I should run?
For how long and when and amount of dose.

Thank you.

There's a whole sticky thread detailing first cycle and pct in great lengths. Of course it doesn't cover your other question about your anti depressants.

[Too-$mall]

no i cant. You're much better off posting that question, or researching yourself. maybe try asking the questions that you have after researching that stuff. you might find that specific questions about the details of one thing get better responses.

[Cylon357]

OP, go read this. It has all your answers

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

[Scorpion0922]

At 24 years old with 4 years of experience you SHOULD NOT be using any anabolics.

[heller190]

The recommended age is 25 years old and actually I am hitting my 5th year in months.
I believe I reached my natural limit, I currently weight 185 pounds without creatine. at 5*11

[Scorpion0922]

The recommended age is 25 years old and actually I am hitting my 5th year in months.
I believe I reached my natural limit, I currently weight 185 pounds without creatine. at 5*11

The recommended age is when you are mentally and physically ready.

Please explain how after 5 years and at 25 you have reached your genetic limit.

[heller190]

I used to workout between 16-19 but It wasn't proper training/dieting.
At 20 I started to consider myself actually eating and training properly.
I am 185 lbs at approximately 14% bodyfat, In the past 3 months I am not noticing an increase in strength or size.

[Honkey_Kong]

I used to workout between 16-19 but It wasn't proper training/dieting.
At 20 I started to consider myself actually eating and training properly.
I am 185 lbs at approximately 14% bodyfat, In the past 3 months I am not noticing an increase in strength or size.

Dude I'll you this once. You're 5'11 and 185lbs at 14% bodyfat. You don't have shit for muscle on your frame. I'm not trying to hurt your feeling either. I'm stating a fact. 5 years of training isn't shit in the grand scheme of things. And if you've learned everything there is to know about training and dieting, you'd be bigger than 185lbs.

Add to that you have mental problems and you want to fvuk your hormones?

You want to know what I suggest you do? Go take the money you would've spent on steroids and spend it on a sports nutritionist and also go to a GOOD gym and hire a good coach to teach you how to train. I can guarantee you that investment in the long-term will get you a better physique than doing a cycle of gear right now would. And I think everybody here will agree with that.

[XnavyHMCS]

At 24 years old with 4 years of experience you SHOULD NOT be using any anabolics.

I understand the logic of what Scorp is espousing, but I would imagine that there is a group of guys on here that did their first cycles well before the ripe old age of 25 (myself included).

OP, you will have to be your own judge, jury and executioner in regards to this. At the end of the day; it is your body, like all of us here. Educate yourself; which is exactly what you are doing, as evidenced in this thread, and weigh the risk verses rewards.

You will not be the first to jump on your first cycle at the ripe old age of 25, and you won't be the last.

Have a great time with the sport and the AAS.

[Honkey_Kong]

I understand the logic of what Scorp is espousing, but I would imagine that there is a group of guys on here that did their first cycles well before the ripe old age of 25 (myself included).

OP, you will have to be your own judge, jury and executioner in regards to this. At the end of the day; it is your body, like all of us here. Educate yourself; which is exactly what you are doing, as evidenced in this thread, and weigh the risk verses rewards.

You will not be the first to jump on your first cycle at the ripe old age of 25, and you won't be the last.

Have a great time with the sport and the AAS.

Dude, the guy is 5'11 and 185lbs. He doesn't need steroids He needs food.

[Zenpump]

Dude, the guy is 5'11 and 185lbs. He doesn't need steroids He needs food.

Who are we to judge if someone wants to use steroids? The guy isnt big enough to take steroids? Please folks. All college and many professional athletes (including budding bodybuilders) are 25 or less. Isn't this when steroids and the risks are actually MOST justified? Should a 40 year old with nothing to play for and no money to make be taking the risks of steroids, just to impress some skanks or look big at the gym?

[Scorpion0922]

Who are we to judge if someone wants to use steroids? The guy isnt big enough to take steroids? Please folks. All college and many professional athletes (including budding bodybuilders) are 25 or less. Isn't this when steroids and the risks are actually MOST justified? Should a 40 year old with nothing to play for and no money to make be taking the risks of steroids, just to impress some skanks or look big at the gym?

You are missing the point of the fourm. He came here with a question and he got the correct advice.

He's not a college or pro athlete.

He's not a budding bodybuilder.

[Honkey_Kong]

Who are we to judge if someone wants to use steroids? The guy isnt big enough to take steroids? Please folks. All college and many professional athletes (including budding bodybuilders) are 25 or less. Isn't this when steroids and the risks are actually MOST justified? Should a 40 year old with nothing to play for and no money to make be taking the risks of steroids, just to impress some skanks or look big at the gym?

He doesn't have the training knowledge and doesn't have the diet to put the size on. If he were to run gear, he'd just put on some water weight and maybe a pound of muscle or two and then he'd lose everything he risked his body for to gain (which wouldn't be much) a few weeks after his cycle ended.

The point of this forum isn't to just list names of drugs and dosages and be like "have fun" to everybody that comes in here with advice. Its to give the best advice that we can give for somebody with such and such circumstances. And regardless of his age, he doesn't know how to train and he doesn't know how to diet. If he did, he'd be more than 185lbs at his bodyfat percentage (if he even measured that accurately which most of us don't).

A by the way, since you brought up age, do you think it's wise to be advising a guy who has no chance to be a pro athlete, who has no chance at being a competitive bodybuilder who doesn't know how how to diet and train and has never even made any real natty gains, to be taking compounds in his mid 20's that can potentially fvuk up his endocrine system and prevent him from living a normal life? Not to mention the toll these drugs take on the body. What if he wants to have kids, but is stuck on TRT for the rest of his life? And these "what ifs" definitely need be assessed in the risk:benefit ratio of doing gear.

And really, if he's that set on doing gear, he's not going to listen to a fvuking word I have to say. In that case, I wish him the best. Some people have to learn things the hard way.

[Cuz]

Hormone fluctuations are probably going to increase your chances of becoming more depressed than you already are. I would personally wait awhile 1-2 years and see how your depression is later on down the road. Messing with hormones is a big deal

[heller190]

I had severe depression/anxiety started after abusing amphetamines (Prescribed) I had a lot of stress from work, university, family and I had a relationship setback.
However as I've stated that I under 5 mg of Cipralex (which is a low dose) and 15 mg of Mirtazpine, and I feel amazing. (My psychiatrist even suggested cutting off the mirtazapine but I prefered to keep taking it since it helps with my IBS symptoms)

Overall I want to know if test-e 500mg a week cycle with proper PCT might interact with my current medications.

[Cylon357]

I had severe depression/anxiety started after abusing amphetamines (Prescribed) I had a lot of stress from work, university, family and I had a relationship setback.
However as I've stated that I under 5 mg of Cipralex (which is a low dose) and 15 mg of Mirtazpine, and I feel amazing. (My psychiatrist even suggested cutting off the mirtazapine but I prefered to keep taking it since it helps with my IBS symptoms)

Overall I want to know if test-e 500mg a week cycle with proper PCT might interact with my current medications.

It might.

It might not.

It might kill you.

It might make you superman.

Who knows?

To @songdog's point, this is not a medical forum. There are few, if any, doctors here. I would wager on none, or at least none that can address your particular questions.

It doesn't hurt to ask, just realize that is a pretty specific case, and maybe you are going to have to dig some more for your answers.

Like maybe consult a doctor?

[songdog]

Bro educate before you medicate because if something goes wrong you will have a idea wat to do.Some times it takes a while to get a answer here.And I am sure we don't have any doctors here to give you the answer you are looking for.

[Cuz]

You need to ask an MD if the drugs you’re taking would interfere or interact with exogenous testosterone my guess is no but its best to be sure. Sounds like you’re gonna do it either way.

[Lemonada8]

You need to ask an MD if the drugs you’re taking would interfere or interact with exogenous testosterone my guess is no but its best to be sure. Sounds like you’re gonna do it either way.

Or a DO :-D

[Mooseman33]

OP- do not take anything. You clearly said that since u started meds 5 months ago life has got a lot better.

stay on that path, no need in fucking ur hormones up and causing issues. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, steroids will cause some mental sides.

Be healthy, be happy, hit gym and train hard. once u have meds under control for year or so then explore....

[Test Monsterone]

Deca is one of the worst as far as mental side effects. It's known to cause depression/anxiety and potentially ED. If you do decide to run a cycle, do as suggested already and take HCG. This will make the recovery much better when you decide to get off. Also, keep in mind that mostly everyone eventually comes off completely (or goes the TRT route). Whatever gains you make on gear are not going to remain forever. So do whatever you want to do with the idea that one day you will have to get off everything and face whatever you did to yourself. The best advice (imo) is always going to be to stay away from steroids - but everyone here can sympathize with wanting to get jacked. The cost for jumping to the dark side is different for everyone, so just be careful.

[Test Monsterone]

Zenpump is pointing to one of the hypocrisies of steroids. All of this is completely subjective. At 24 it's not ok, but at 25 it is? Well what if someone matures slower, then does their age to start steroids increase? What if someone (like me for example) looks like a full grown man at 18, is that ok then? But what if someone is physically mature enough, but not mentally? There are a million scenarios, so it's up to the individual to decide. I can make the argument that a younger person would fare better with steroids since their body can handle the stresses imposed by the steroids on the body better. Whereas an older gentleman starting a cycle may be more dangerous as far as potential for cardiovascular related issues.

Steroids is like alcohol. When should you start drinking? Should you? Probably not. But if you are, when? Well, are you able to handle the mental side effects? Are you able to control your emotions? Will you be responsible enough to stop if you run into health troubles? Do you have addiction issues in general? Do you have body image dysmorphia?

For all these questions, I don't believe there is a set age or weight/height ratio. I think it is a good idea to wait until you the brain and body have finished developing (around age 25), and enough years of consistent lifting with a proper diet have been achieved to provide a baseline from which to measure the effects of steroids. That basline can be 6'2" 150 lbs for one person, or 5'7 240 lbs for another. We can't paint everyone with the same brush. At the end of the day it's up to each of us to decide. Unfortunately, morons like Bostin Loyd or Derek Anthony should have never gotten into steroids because they were too stupid to run them, but it's still their decision at the end of the day.

[Zenpump]

Zenpump is pointing to one of the hypocrisies of steroids. All of this is completely subjective. At 24 it's not ok, but at 25 it is? Well what if someone matures slower, then does their age to start steroids increase? What if someone (like me for example) looks like a full grown man at 18, is that ok then? But what if someone is physically mature enough, but not mentally? There are a million scenarios, so it's up to the individual to decide. I can make the argument that a younger person would fare better with steroids since their body can handle the stresses imposed by the steroids on the body better. Whereas an older gentleman starting a cycle may be more dangerous as far as potential for cardiovascular related issues.

Steroids is like alcohol. When should you start drinking? Should you? Probably not. But if you are, when? Well, are you able to handle the mental side effects? Are you able to control your emotions? Will you be responsible enough to stop if you run into health troubles? Do you have addiction issues in general? Do you have body image dysmorphia?

For all these questions, I don't believe there is a set age or weight/height ratio. I think it is a good idea to wait until you the brain and body have finished developing (around age 25), and enough years of consistent lifting with a proper diet have been achieved to provide a baseline from which to measure the effects of steroids. That basline can be 6'2" 150 lbs for one person, or 5'7 240 lbs for another. We can't paint everyone with the same brush. At the end of the day it's up to each of us to decide. Unfortunately, morons like Bostin Loyd or Derek Anthony should have never gotten into steroids because they were too stupid to run them, but it's still their decision at the end of the day.

Very well said

[Mooseman33]

TM as usual you go off into one of ur long ass posts about nothing.

[wango]

One of the more interesting threads I’ve read in a while. Zen & TM; great comments, very spot on, couldn’t agree more.

OP, the main concern I have is simply the level of stress that you’ve experienced and I’m guessing, still do. The fact that you’re addressing it with medical professionals is fantastic. You should know that many here (not myself) on the forum have openly scorned medication and seeking advice, as depression is simply viewed as a mental weakness - so to ask the same guys advice, well . . .

So the fact that you’re responding to the meds, etc. is fantastic. My question is if the factors that caused the issues are resolved enough to add what could be a pretty complicated variable (steroids), that can throw everything into disarray?

Just killing some time with my morning coffee.

[heller190]

I still face average stress. Soon I will be done with university which will make things better.

[wango]

I still face average stress. Soon I will be done with university which will make things better.

I’m not judging or rating stress levels, but dude, you mentioned running a family business, relationship issues, and completing your education, well those aren’t what I would call “average”. Plus the stress caused physical problems.

That’s my particular concern. Adding a brand new variable into the equation at this particular time.

Here’s a factor you might not have thought of - the added stress and anxiety while you wait for your body to respond to the AAS. Test only might take a bit. Plus; what are your expectations of how much you want to respond? What if your response is not what you built expectations upon? Everyone responds differently.

[heller190]

I’m not judging or rating stress levels, but dude, you mentioned running a family business, relationship issues, and completing your education, well those aren’t what I would call “average”. Plus the stress caused physical problems.

That’s my particular concern. Adding a brand new variable into the equation at this particular time.

Here’s a factor you might not have thought of - the added stress and anxiety while you wait for your body to respond to the AAS. Test only might take a bit. Plus; what are your expectations of how much you want to respond? What if your response is not what you built expectations upon? Everyone responds differently.

I am finishing my studies in few months, the business is going well now and the relationship is over.
I am supposed to come off the SSRI's after my studies are over. and from there I will see if I am fit or not to hop on the AAS

[wango]

I am finishing my studies in few months, the business is going well now and the relationship is over.
I am supposed to come off the SSRI's after my studies are over. and from there I will see if I am fit or not to hop on the AAS

Congrats on business, being over a relationship & finishing school, and I mean this sincerely, still functioning to any degree. I mean, dude, those alone would crush a lot of folks, but happening at the same time?!?

I like your thinking on this. Let some chapters close in your life, then assess, then move forward . At your age it sounds like you’ve got your shit together, I mean that sincerely.

[s1nc1ty]

We must understand the temptation of using gear and getting faster gains is always out there, whether its a good idea or not. I have decided not to use that shit to fuck with my health for temporary cosmetic effect but every now and then i get a little urge and start contemplating on it a little again.
I think you look decent on the pic, athletic nothing to be ashamed of. Not like a bodybuilder but athletic, amateur boxer or some athlete type physique.you can get naturaly more gains and look even better if you want the bodybuilder look. Hit them incline presses and curls etc. Good advice here to focus on nutrition and traing.
Remember the steroid gains are temporary, if you want to do couple cycles only, you will eventually loose all the gains you made from using peds but damage your hormone system and health. But if you keep using it long term, blast and cruise etc. It can be detrimental to your health. High blood pressure, thickening of blood to name a few and you will probably need trt for the rest of your life. You are healthy and life is good right now you are not bound to pinning and eating 10 different medications and procedures to still be moderately unhealthy. Before you hop on consider all the negative effects that come with steroids use

[Scorpion0922]

We must understand the temptation of using gear and getting faster gains is always out there, whether its a good idea or not. I have decided not to use that shit to fuck with my health for temporary cosmetic effect but every now and then i get a little urge and start contemplating on it a little again.
I think you look decent on the pic, athletic nothing to be ashamed of. Not like a bodybuilder but athletic, amateur boxer or some athlete type physique.you can get naturaly more gains and look even better if you want the bodybuilder look. Hit them incline presses and curls etc. Good advice here to focus on nutrition and traing.
Remember the steroid gains are temporary, if you want to do couple cycles only, you will eventually loose all the gains you made from using peds but damage your hormone system and health. But if you keep using it long term, blast and cruise etc. It can be detrimental to your health. High blood pressure, thickening of blood to name a few and you will probably need trt for the rest of your life. You are healthy and life is good right now you are not bound to pinning and eating 10 different medications and procedures to still be moderately unhealthy. Before you hop on consider all the negative effects that come with steroids use

Where are you getting this "you will eventually loose all the gains you made from using peds"

[s1nc1ty]

Where are you getting this "you will eventually loose all the gains you made from using peds"

The muscle you build doesnt last forever. In your body the muscles get broken down and rebuilt all the time. With peds this gets a turbo boost and you gain unproportionally big amount of muscle but when you go off without the extra hormones to maintain the new size your body starts to return into the original state.

With trt you can hang on to more of it it seems because no hormone fluctuations and unnaturally stable and high range test levels. Or if you keep cycling and getting bigger each cycle. But now we just went from doing 1 cycle to a life long commitment... thats why i sayd think it through before you start its not only roses and sunshine

[Cuz]

The muscle you build doesnt last forever. In your body the muscles get broken down and rebuilt all the time. With peds this gets a turbo boost and you gain unproportionally big amount of muscle but when you go off without the extra hormones to maintain the new size your body starts to return into the original state.

With trt you can hang on to more of it it seems because no hormone fluctuations and unnaturally stable and high range test levels. Or if you keep cycling and getting bigger each cycle. But now we just went from doing 1 cycle to a life long commitment... thats why i sayd think it through before you start its not only roses and sunshine

What cycles have you done ?

[Cuz]

If you do hop on gear, you better keep an AI and a serm on close hand. You look very susceptible to high E2 conversion like gyno problems.

[s1nc1ty]

Listen i dont have phd in biochemistry or sports science or medicine or anything but you dont have to be einstein to see when guys get offvthe juice theyr muscles deflate. Been around the block enough to see it happen many times and read on the subject. Are you saying what i wrote is incorrect? I might explain it bad or wrong but the the essence of what i wrote is correct is it not?

If i am incorrect, please by all means, call me out on it, prove me wrong etc im happy to learn better if im inccordct.

When did you get off peds last time to even see what is "permanent" and whats not? My advice was targeted for person who is not on trt already

Sure the guy can do his 500 migs test cycle and be bigger for a while but in terms of long term effect the 1 cycle is like a fart in the wind