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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    I think it is smart to hold off on the adex until blood work. My guess is you won't need it at all at those doses.

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    If you are having some disk issues, I don't think I would be cycling now. Let that heal, maybe add some deca and hgh to your trt, but give your back time to heal up.
    The irony is that the whole point of Deca combined with HGH use is to help support physical therapy/recovery. I'm forced to stop deadlifting and barbell rows or at least avoid heavy lifts and do high repetitions with light weights.

    It'll probably be worth paying for or hiring a personal trainer to examine my compound/heavy lifts for proper form and execution just to eliminate incorrect form as a possibility.

    The benefit of using Deca on top of everything else is I plan on doing lower back extensions until I just can't do anymore. Very very very slowly add plates during progression of strength and endurance. I mean really ****ing develop a Christmas tree with all the Christmas lights and the angel on top. Probably do some glute and hamstring development as well.

    If anyone else has some suggestions for strengthening auxiliary muscles used during deadlifts, reverse hack squats and leg pressing please speak away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Positiveweight View Post
    The irony is that the whole point of Deca combined with HGH use is to help support physical therapy/recovery. I'm forced to stop deadlifting and barbell rows or at least avoid heavy lifts and do high repetitions with light weights.

    It'll probably be worth paying for or hiring a personal trainer to examine my compound/heavy lifts for proper form and execution just to eliminate incorrect form as a possibility.

    The benefit of using Deca on top of everything else is I plan on doing lower back extensions until I just can't do anymore. Very very very slowly add plates during progression of strength and endurance. I mean really ****ing develop a Christmas tree with all the Christmas lights and the angel on top. Probably do some glute and hamstring development as well.

    If anyone else has some suggestions for strengthening auxiliary muscles used during deadlifts, reverse hack squats and leg pressing please speak away.
    There are always Good Mornings, low cable row, leg curling, Romanian deadlifts, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    There are always Good Mornings, low cable row, leg curling, Romanian deadlifts, etc.
    My best deadlifts and squats come when I have seated good mornings in my rotation. Standing good mornings... I ain't gonna lie, that one scares me, but the seated variety seems to give me more control and perhaps a false sense of security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    My best deadlifts and squats come when I have seated good mornings in my rotation. Standing good mornings... I ain't gonna lie, that one scares me, but the seated variety seems to give me more control and perhaps a false sense of security.
    Used to do standing good mornings when I was in my thirties. Yeah, now that I'm near 60, they do kinda scare me. But doing lighter weight with more reps makes them somewhat tolerable. We don't do them that often though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    My best deadlifts and squats come when I have seated good mornings in my rotation. Standing good mornings... I ain't gonna lie, that one scares me, but the seated variety seems to give me more control and perhaps a false sense of security.
    I'll have to give good mornings a go too. Seems to target all the muscles surrounding any "weak points".

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    Thanks for mentioning this exercise. It also looks like a good way to practice proper barbell location for squats. An exercise I've been avoiding for the same reason as the disk failure. I've got to learn how to pace myself whenever I'm cleared by doctors or physical therapists! I'm almost for certain it's a posture issue. My gut is telling me that anyway, physical therapy can conclude that. I hope so anyway
    Last edited by Positiveweight; 07-07-2023 at 04:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Positiveweight View Post
    I'll have to give good mornings a go too. Seems to target all the muscles surrounding any "weak points".

    @Honkey_Kong
    Thanks for mentioning this exercise. It also looks like a good way to practice proper barbell location for squats. An exercise I've been avoiding for the same reason as the disk failure. I've got to learn how to pace myself whenever I'm cleared by doctors or physical therapists! I'm almost for certain it's a posture issue. My gut is telling me that anyway, physical therapy can conclude that. I hope so anyway
    The key with the good mornings isn't to set 1RM record or anything. It's to train weak spots in your lower back. Keep the weights reasonable and do slow/controlled reps. You're really trying to train the back to prevent slipped or ruptured discs. There are plenty of exercises to train for explosive power. Good mornings aren't one of them.

    Also with squats, try doing high bar and low bar squats.
    Last edited by Honkey_Kong; 07-07-2023 at 06:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    The key with the good mornings isn't to set 1RM record or anything. It's to train weak spots in your lower back. Keep the weights reasonable and do slow/controlled reps. You're really trying to train the back to prevent slipped or ruptured discs. There are plenty of exercises to train for explosive power. Good mornings aren't one of them.
    Thank you for the feedback. I'm not a 1RM person for whatever it's worth. I do, however, push it to the max (hence the slipped discs).

    For the good mornings would you recommend just to use an unloaded Olympic bar and much like lower back extensions, rep it out until fatigued?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Positiveweight View Post
    Thank you for the feedback. I'm not a 1RM person for whatever it's worth. I do, however, push it to the max (hence the slipped discs).

    For the good mornings would you recommend just to use an unloaded Olympic bar and much like lower back extensions, rep it out until fatigued?
    If you had access to a cambered bar, that's what I'd recommended using. If not just whatever bar you use for squats would be fine. You don't have to use an unloaded bar, just whatever weight you can safely do slowly and controlled. And as far as "rep it out" goes, if you're going slow and controlled, you're not going to be able to do as many reps as if you can if you're going as fast as possible. But yeah, you do want to be fatigued from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Positiveweight View Post
    Thank you for the feedback. I'm not a 1RM person for whatever it's worth. I do, however, push it to the max (hence the slipped discs).

    For the good mornings would you recommend just to use an unloaded Olympic bar and much like lower back extensions, rep it out until fatigued?
    Start with an unloaded olympic bar. That may be as high as you go. I have in the past worked up to 225x8 in the seated variety, with slow, controlled movement throughout. The seated version by its nature kind of limits your ROM, that's OK in this case.

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