My first handgun - 22LR ?

[Cuz]

gun control has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with control, as in the tyrants want to control the peasants. and anyone with a brain who has read a history book would be opposed to the idea of gun control, because historically what we see govts doing after banning and confiscating firearms is committing mass genocide on anyone who even half way resembles a political dissident.

speaking of firearms, heres a couple i have.

Im not sure you caught what I was saying, it may have been worded wrong. So heres a different version.

When I saw gun control only works for people that abide by the laws, I mean non criminals. Ok? Criminals will always have guns, they may be a little more inconvenient to get them, but they will get them. Gun free zones do not work, if someone wants a gun , a criminal for instance, will get one. They dont care about the laws, and if joes gun and pawn is closed down it doesnt mean guns dont exist anymore.

Maybe thats a better version?

And I don’t disagree guns dont kill, people kill

[JTP$]

I have kind of a different view on gun control. People want to feel tough and they think if they if they got the meanest gun, they'll "shoot those God damned Democrats/communists/whatever if they cross this line in the sand I just drew."

Then, of course, "they" cross that line and that person just draws another line and says the same thing.

Case in point would be the co-fraud lockdowns. They had the entire fvuking world on house arrest. There's a 10:1 ratio of guns to people in the United States. How many armed revolts to this house arrest happened? 0.

Not one single gun-toting American stood up for their own basic right to not be imprisoned. And that was over something stupid like a fake virus.

To be honest, gun control isn't necessary these days. And even if you and your 100 best friends decided you were going to be Rambo, it wouldn't end well for you. Not to mention the FBI has informants in every dissident group small or large, they'll know if something is being planned long before most of the members of those groups know what is being discussed.

So really, gun control is just a way for the government to "spike the football" on you.

the media would certainly like for everyone to believe the typical american gun owner is some paranoid, insecure straight white male extremist that walks around with an AR15 threatening people thinking this proves his masculinity, but i dont know any gun owners that act like that. most gun owners think of gun rights as a privilege that needs to be treated responsibly and with respect, meaning never be unsafe with a firearm and never talk crazy, especially in todays day and age with red flag laws.

i agree that gun control is not necessary though, guns are inanimate objects, and even if you could magically make every firearm disappear, people would continue to kill other people with different types of weapons

Im not sure you caught what I was saying, it may have been worded wrong. So heres a different version.

When I saw gun control only works for people that abide by the laws, I mean non criminals. Ok? Criminals will always have guns, they may be a little more inconvenient to get them, but they will get them. Gun free zones do not work, if someone wants a gun , a criminal for instance, will get one. They dont care about the laws, and if joes gun and pawn is closed down it doesnt mean guns dont exist anymore.

Maybe thats a better version?

And I don’t disagree guns dont kill, people kill

i understand what youre saying, and i agree with you. laws will only affect people who obey the law, passing more laws will not stop criminals because they dont care about obeying the law.

[Honkey_Kong]

the media would certainly like for everyone to believe the typical american gun owner is some paranoid, insecure straight white male extremist that walks around with an AR15 threatening people thinking this proves his masculinity, but i dont know any gun owners that act like that. most gun owners think of gun rights as a privilege that needs to be treated responsibly and with respect, meaning never be unsafe with a firearm and never talk crazy, especially in todays day and age with red flag laws.

i agree that gun control is not necessary though, guns are inanimate objects, and even if you could magically make every firearm disappear, people would continue to kill other people with different types of weapons



i understand what youre saying, and i agree with you. laws will only affect people who obey the law, passing more laws will not stop criminals because they dont care about obeying the law.

I will say this much about gun owners and shooting ranges. Every time I've ever been to a shooting range in my life, I've spent at least a good 15 minutes bullshitting with people I've never met before talking about whatever. They tend to have more conservative views, but it's always a very welcoming place. You can't really say that about too many things these days.

[JTP$]

I will say this much about gun owners and shooting ranges. Every time I've ever been to a shooting range in my life, I've spent at least a good 15 minutes bullshitting with people I've never met before talking about whatever. They tend to have more conservative views, but it's always a very welcoming place. You can't really say that about too many things these days.

Yea, I believe that most american firearm owners are united by a sense of brotherhood in that we acknowledge our 2nd amendment rights are under attack, and we all feel very strongly about our desire to keep our gun rights

[Honkey_Kong]

Yea, I believe that most american firearm owners are united by a sense of brotherhood in that we acknowledge our 2nd amendment rights are under attack, and we all feel very strongly about our desire to keep our gun rights

See this is it. Anything that can be taken away by government either by some alphabet agency or through legislation is not a right and never was one to begin with regardless of the label of "right" being used on it.

At the end of the day, the Constitution and The Bill of Rights are just sheets of paper with words on them. If you had any rights, they would exist whether or not those papers had them listed and a government or individual wouldn't be able to take them away under any circumstances.

What we have are privileges granted by the government (or any individual who has supremacy over you) and they can be revoked at their discretion. We can say crap like "they can take it from my cold dead hand" all we want, but they'll either take it from our cold dead hands or throw us in jail if we resist (or both).

And people will try to say I'm wrong, to which I'll reply "Ok, what happened to bump stocks?"

This isn't exclusively about guns. It's literally about anything we call rights especially and including speech.

[JTP$]

See this is it. Anything that can be taken away by government either by some alphabet agency or through legislation is not a right and never was one to begin with regardless of the label of "right" being used on it.

At the end of the day, the Constitution and The Bill of Rights are just sheets of paper with words on them. If you had any rights, they would exist whether or not those papers had them listed and a government or individual wouldn't be able to take them away under any circumstances.

What we have are privileges granted by the government (or any individual who has supremacy over you) and they can be revoked at their discretion. We can say crap like "they can take it from my cold dead hand" all we want, but they'll either take it from our cold dead hands or throw us in jail if we resist (or both).

And people will try to say I'm wrong, to which I'll reply "Ok, what happened to bump stocks?"

This isn't exclusively about guns. It's literally about anything we call rights especially and including speech.

while it is true that our tyrannical overlords would love to revoke all of our rights and really put the boot to our throats like they have done so many times in the past in other countries, it is important to remember that the bill of rights and the constitution are not meaningless documents that the govt can arbitrarily modify, disregard or throw out entirely. we need to value the foundation of this country and stand up for it, within our legal rights of course. what that really equates to is lawsuits over unconstitutional laws that are passed. CA courts are in a position to possibly overturn assault weapon bans and magazine capacity limitation laws.

im not sure where they stand with the bumpstock issue, but the ATF's redefinition of frames and receivers was kicked out, and i believe pistol braces is going to go the same way.

[Honkey_Kong]

while it is true that our tyrannical overlords would love to revoke all of our rights and really put the boot to our throats like they have done so many times in the past in other countries, it is important to remember that the bill of rights and the constitution are not meaningless documents that the govt can arbitrarily modify, disregard or throw out entirely. we need to value the foundation of this country and stand up for it, within our legal rights of course. what that really equates to is lawsuits over unconstitutional laws that are passed. CA courts are in a position to possibly overturn assault weapon bans and magazine capacity limitation laws.

im not sure where they stand with the bumpstock issue, but the ATF's redefinition of frames and receivers was kicked out, and i believe pistol braces is going to go the same way.

Ok, let's suppose they infringe on your right to bear arms and you decide to sue. How many millions of dollars will it cost you to battle it out in the courts (which is a gamble in itself)? It's pretty cost prohibitive for the average man. I don't know about you, but I don't have millions of dollars laying around to pay for legal fees and lawyers. Not to mention the courts are stacked with judges that don't care about that "bill of rights." At the very least they'll do all sorts of mental gymnastics with the words so they suit what they want.

Not to mention it takes years (possibly decades) to get anything overturned (and even when they are then the state/federal government will appeal so there will be a temporary stay). At the end of the day, you're relying on the very system that violated your "rights" to give you justice over them being violated.

Really though, your "rights" only extend as far as your ability to enforce them. Whomever has power over you, be it a government or an individual inflicts their will on you and since you are powerless to combat it, your only hope is that their system will reinstate your privileges once they've been taken away.

There is no such thing as a "right." Contrary to what any legal document says. That Constitution and Bill of Rights might as well be written on sheets of toilet paper, because government wipes their asses with it whenever they feel like it. They're just words on paper. Force is the only thing that legitimizes anything.

The ATF's violation of your "rights" is just one example.