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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    So been doing 250 test 200 primo. Coming off my trt dose of 150mgs. I initially was taking an ai of aromasin 12.5 mgs a week due to I'm a high aromatiser until the primo kicked in. I noticed now though my bp really shot up. Usually around 120/70 although I am on Lisinopril 20 mgs prescribed by my Dr.

    My BP has been 150/90 recently though. I do notice when I wake up my ankles do crack so was thinking possibly low e2? Would the primo spike my BP like that? Could I have possibly just got eq or something else and my primo is fake.

    Away and unable to get bloods till a few weeks so wasn't sure what to do. Drop the primo completely? Cut it in half? Switch to mast? Or just go back to cruise dose?
    You changed 3 things by my count.

    1 raised test dose
    2 added primo
    3 dropped your ai

    Without blood work, this makes it difficult to determine which, if any, of these things are at fault.

    How long after you made the changes did you start seeing issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    You changed 3 things by my count.

    1 raised test dose
    2 added primo
    3 dropped your ai

    Without blood work, this makes it difficult to determine which, if any, of these things are at fault.

    How long after you made the changes did you start seeing issues?
    Didn't drop ai but added ai. Don't use one on my trt. Hard to say I took BP before I started and it was perfect then took it starting last week and noticed it spiked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    Didn't drop ai but added ai. Don't use one on my trt. Hard to say I took BP before I started and it was perfect then took it starting last week and noticed it spiked
    I would suspect that you have in fact crashed your estrogen. Primo has ai abilities and the addition of a separate ai was likely too much.

    You need to pull some blood work, particularly a CBC. Your hematocrit and / or RBC may be elevated due to the additional steroids at play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    I would suspect that you have in fact crashed your estrogen. Primo has ai abilities and the addition of a separate ai was likely too much.

    You need to pull some blood work, particularly a CBC. Your hematocrit and / or RBC may be elevated due to the additional steroids at play.
    Thanks man what would you suggest? Keep everything the same but just drop the ai obviously. Lower the primo dose? Drop the primo completely? Switch to mast?

    Can't get bloods till 2 weeks due to me being away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    Thanks man what would you suggest? Keep everything the same but just drop the ai obviously. Lower the primo dose? Drop the primo completely? Switch to mast?

    Can't get bloods till 2 weeks due to me being away
    Why did you take the AI in the first place? Were you having sides? How long is this cycle for? How long have you been on this? And without bloodwork, it's going to be hard to see what is going on. Do you have mast on hand that you can switch to?

    Maybe you should just go back to taking your TRT medicine and rethink this whole cycling thing? Your dosages of test and primo are both pretty low for a cycle.

    And by the way having your BP in the 150/90 range isn't that bad. The systolic BP is only 150 and that isn't very high. Plus it's the diastolic BP that is really important and yours in in the 90s. running a little high on the BP for a few weeks isn't going to matter much in the grand scheme of things. You're not so high that I'd think you're at a super risk of having a stroke or heart attack in the short term and if your BP goes back to normal at the end of your cycle when you stop taking the gear, you don't really have to worry about long-term damage from it. And you are taking an ace inhibitor already.

    If you're really concerned, maybe go see an urgent care and have them up your BP meds?

    I do find it hard to believe that you can't get bloods done because you're "away." You can bring your gear and needles with you and you have a place to workout at, but you can't find a place to get blood drawn at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Why did you take the AI in the first place? Were you having sides? How long is this cycle for? How long have you been on this? And without bloodwork, it's going to be hard to see what is going on. Do you have mast on hand that you can switch to?

    Maybe you should just go back to taking your TRT medicine and rethink this whole cycling thing? Your dosages of test and primo are both pretty low for a cycle.

    And by the way having your BP in the 150/90 range isn't that bad. The systolic BP is only 150 and that isn't very high. Plus it's the diastolic BP that is really important and yours in in the 90s. running a little high on the BP for a few weeks isn't going to matter much in the grand scheme of things. You're not so high that I'd think you're at a super risk of having a stroke or heart attack in the short term and if your BP goes back to normal at the end of your cycle when you stop taking the gear, you don't really have to worry about long-term damage from it. And you are taking an ace inhibitor already.

    If you're really concerned, maybe go see an urgent care and have them up your BP meds?

    I do find it hard to believe that you can't get bloods done because you're "away." You can bring your gear and needles with you and you have a place to workout at, but you can't find a place to get blood drawn at?
    Anything over 175 mgs of test I usually need an ai. And that's from years of blood work showing that. So figured itd take a few weeks for the primo to kick in so figured I would take some. This will be week 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    Anything over 175 mgs of test I usually need an ai. And that's from years of blood work showing that. So figured itd take a few weeks for the primo to kick in so figured I would take some. This will be week 4.
    You really shouldn't touch an AI unless you're currently having estrogenic sides. Even if in the past you're had problems at low doses of test, your body does change over time. Hell just the frequency you pin yourself will affect your SHBG and by breaking your pins up to 3 doses instead of 2 per week might be just what your body needs to regulate the test better and slow the aromatase of the hormones down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Why did you take the AI in the first place? Were you having sides? How long is this cycle for? How long have you been on this? And without bloodwork, it's going to be hard to see what is going on. Do you have mast on hand that you can switch to?

    Maybe you should just go back to taking your TRT medicine and rethink this whole cycling thing? Your dosages of test and primo are both pretty low for a cycle.

    And by the way having your BP in the 150/90 range isn't that bad. The systolic BP is only 150 and that isn't very high. Plus it's the diastolic BP that is really important and yours in in the 90s. running a little high on the BP for a few weeks isn't going to matter much in the grand scheme of things. You're not so high that I'd think you're at a super risk of having a stroke or heart attack in the short term and if your BP goes back to normal at the end of your cycle when you stop taking the gear, you don't really have to worry about long-term damage from it. And you are taking an ace inhibitor already.

    If you're really concerned, maybe go see an urgent care and have them up your BP meds?

    I do find it hard to believe that you can't get bloods done because you're "away." You can bring your gear and needles with you and you have a place to workout at, but you can't find a place to get blood drawn at?
    My BP machines are wild at home too. One just said 160/96 and the other is 120/78

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    My BP machines are wild at home too. One just said 160/96 and the other is 120/78
    If they're auto inflate cuffs, you should have them calibrated. If it's Omron, it may be as simple as the rate at which the cuff bleeds off the air. Also, make sure the cuff on both machines are the same size. If not, that will skew your reading.

    One more thing to watch is make sure you consistently stay above the elbow by at least 1/2". The cuff probably has a diagram. Improper placement will give you inaccurate readings.


    Edit: ....make sure you are using the proper size cuff as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    Thanks man what would you suggest? Keep everything the same but just drop the ai obviously. Lower the primo dose? Drop the primo completely? Switch to mast?

    Can't get bloods till 2 weeks due to me being away
    I suggest getting blood work ASAP. If you are in the US, you can order your own blood work and probably have it drawn next day.

    Drop the AI for sure. You are probably better off dropping down to trt dose until blood work comes back.

    Have you ever used primo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    I suggest getting blood work ASAP. If you are in the US, you can order your own blood work and probably have it drawn next day.

    Drop the AI for sure. You are probably better off dropping down to trt dose until blood work comes back.

    Have you ever used primo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    I suggest getting blood work ASAP. If you are in the US, you can order your own blood work and probably have it drawn next day.

    Drop the AI for sure. You are probably better off dropping down to trt dose until blood work comes back.

    Have you ever used primo?
    Thanks man signed up for blood work tmro. Now I was suppose to pin primo yesterday should I pin it before the blood work tmro or should I skip the dose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbadwolf250 View Post
    Thanks man signed up for blood work tmro. Now I was suppose to pin primo yesterday should I pin it before the blood work tmro or should I skip the dose?
    Personally, I would keep doing what I have been. No use to change things before blood work, then you have no frame of reference.
    It probably won't make much difference, but every time you change something you just blew your frame of reference.
    After your blood work is the time to change things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    You changed 3 things by my count.

    1 raised test dose
    2 added primo
    3 dropped your ai

    Without blood work, this makes it difficult to determine which, if any, of these things are at fault.

    How long after you made the changes did you start seeing issues?
    Also was looking back on my labs before I started the blast and just on trt my hematocrit was 56.5! The highest it's ever been and really worried me. However a week before it was 51. And recently donated and last blood work a week ago showed 48. How could it be almost 57 and change that much. It was a different lab that did the testing. Same reference range though so no idea what happened.

    Have been experiencing more headaches and dizziness and tires which are symptoms of high RBC. But not sure if it's just in my head.

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