Lean bulk cycle. Can I add dbol?

[Smokey1987]

There are a couple of issues with this cycle as designed.

Test too low, IMO. It should be closer to 350+.

That is WAY too much var for too long. Lipids and other bloodwork will go to poop. Remember: Risk = time x dose.

Too much nolva pre-emptively, assuming you are using it for gyno prevention. I don't have a problem with including it, but I would do so at a much lower dose, probably 5mg per day.

Don't start the aromasin (especially with the cycle you designed) unless you have obvious issues. Estrogen is good for us! With even 30mg var and 350mg test, you probably won't need an ai at all. But, you know you, so maybe there is some specific response you have.

Dbol will definitely bloat you up from the estrogen conversion. Plus, as designed, you are adding a wet compound, then drying it out with AI and var. That is counter productive. And then you are adding another oral, not an easy one either. I like dbol, I just don't think it has a place in this cycle.

30-50 mg var per day, either as a jump start or finisher, with 350-500 test will probably get it done for you, along with eating in a slight surplus.

Wait, I just noticed... you are planning this for 26 weeks? Are you on TRT? What is your cycle history?

Yeah I’m on trt so I’m completely naturally shut down already. The 26 weeks of cycling won’t effect my hpta as it’s already f’ed. I take 100mg a week of test for my trt off cycle. As for the AI and nolva I am extremely sensitive to gyno but I’ll take your advice and hold off on the aromasin unless needed and keep the nolva at 5mg and hope I don’t flare up. Also with gyno the same goes with tren and deca but I think that’s a mix of prolactin and estrogen causing it as no amount of ai or serm will reduce it. I have to go off of them completely before the gyno fades to nothing.

So I’ll forget the dbol, up the test to 400, and cut the var until the final 10 weeks of the cycle at 50mg? Plus cut the aromasin unless needed and drop the nolva to 5 unless I flare up I’ll raise to 20 until it subsides. I have a feeling it will flare up at some point. My cycle history are cycles that have followed the intermediate cycles on steroid.com. Been on and off since 2018 with solid results and solid blood work. I’m 35 years old too just fyi.

[Cylon357]

Yeah I’m on trt so I’m completely naturally shut down already. The 26 weeks of cycling won’t effect my hpta as it’s already f’ed. I take 100mg a week of test for my trt off cycle. As for the AI and nolva I am extremely sensitive to gyno but I’ll take your advice and hold off on the aromasin unless needed and keep the nolva at 5mg and hope I don’t flare up. Also with gyno the same goes with tren and deca but I think that’s a mix of prolactin and estrogen causing it as no amount of ai or serm will reduce it. I have to go off of them completely before the gyno fades to nothing.

So I’ll forget the dbol, up the test to 400, and cut the var until the final 10 weeks of the cycle at 50mg? Plus cut the aromasin unless needed and drop the nolva to 5 unless I flare up I’ll raise to 20 until it subsides. I have a feeling it will flare up at some point. My cycle history are cycles that have followed the intermediate cycles on steroid.com. Been on and off since 2018 with solid results and solid blood work. I’m 35 years old too just fyi.

Ok, so have you heard the term "blast and cruise"? A "blast" is what you are describing.

Still, 26 weeks is a bit long. I would run, say, 13 weeks, at the doses we talked about.

I personally don't like to use orals for longer than 6 weeks, at least not of any significant doses. The one exception is proviron, I use it almost year round at 25mg per day with my trt.

Absolutely agree with Cuz, especially the recommend for masteron. I really like that compound myself, and gyno prevention and reversal is kind of its thing. You could run it at 2 to 1 test to mast and probably not need either AI or nolva. If you run into gyno issues, up the mast.

[Smokey1987]

Ok, so have you heard the term "blast and cruise"? A "blast" is what you are describing.

Still, 26 weeks is a bit long. I would run, say, 13 weeks, at the doses we talked about.

I personally don't like to use orals for longer than 6 weeks, at least not of any significant doses. The one exception is proviron, I use it almost year round at 25mg per day with my trt.

Absolutely agree with Cuz, especially the recommend for masteron. I really like that compound myself, and gyno prevention and reversal is kind of its thing. You could run it at 2 to 1 test to mast and probably not need either AI or nolva. If you run into gyno issues, up the mast.

I’ll go ahead and order the masteron since you both recommend it. I wasn’t aware it was also good for gyno reversal. I hear it gives you a more defined look as well which is what I want. I personally don’t like the way nolva makes me feel and keeping aromasin out the picture will be nice keeping estrogen levels normal, helping with the bulk. Excited to try masteron now. I will cut the cycle to 13 weeks and add the var at week 7. I’ll just go off the blast for 13 weeks then come back with a cutting cycle in which I’ll verify with you all before running it. Probably something like like 8 weeks of var with low dose test for 12 weeks with a cutting diet. I wish I could do tren but even caber won’t kill the gyno lumps and it makes me crazy and paranoid.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah I’m on trt so I’m completely naturally shut down already. The 26 weeks of cycling won’t effect my hpta as it’s already f’ed. I take 100mg a week of test for my trt off cycle. As for the AI and nolva I am extremely sensitive to gyno but I’ll take your advice and hold off on the aromasin unless needed and keep the nolva at 5mg and hope I don’t flare up. Also with gyno the same goes with tren and deca but I think that’s a mix of prolactin and estrogen causing it as no amount of ai or serm will reduce it. I have to go off of them completely before the gyno fades to nothing.

So I’ll forget the dbol, up the test to 400, and cut the var until the final 10 weeks of the cycle at 50mg? Plus cut the aromasin unless needed and drop the nolva to 5 unless I flare up I’ll raise to 20 until it subsides. I have a feeling it will flare up at some point. My cycle history are cycles that have followed the intermediate cycles on steroid.com. Been on and off since 2018 with solid results and solid blood work. I’m 35 years old too just fyi.

The raised prolactin from 19nors is more of a myth than anything else. The #1 cause of an increase in prolactin is an increase in estrogens.

For a bulk, I liked running test e + deca + proviron. But you could also add some tren in there too (I liked using tren to both cut and bulk depending on the cycle I was running). How lean you can put on mass though is going to be nearly entirely diet related.

But back to your question about dbol. dbol bloat isn't permanent and goes away pretty quickly after you stop using it. And it certainly isn't going to make your gains less lean. That being said the effects of the dbol also go away pretty quickly after you stop using them. That's why I'd only ever use it at the beginning of a long-estered cycle where I'm waiting for the test and deca to "kick in." And as I got older, I found that my stomach couldn't handle dbol at all. I'd be giving up more potential gains by hugging the porcelain throne than I was getting off of it (and I tried different suppliers also).