Cool - disagreement!

bigkev, I have total respect for you but are you telling me that your quads really give out first on squats if you do them first in your quad workout?

For 99% of trainers this just isn't the case bro as squats / deadlifts etc. all place a far greater demand on the glutes and lower back. And precisely because of this squating is ineffective for them because their quads aren't being taxed as greatly as they might be had they pre-exhausted them.

Sure they'll grow though, along with their lower backs and glutes but just not as well.

Hell, I'd pre-exhaust with leg ext. before the compound movements just on the grounds that I don't want my glutes getting any bigger than they have too, lol!!!

I just read your post again bro :

if you pre exhaust your quads before squats, then you arent really pushing your quads 100% on what should be your heaviest, most important excercise for legs, squats
No no no! Because they'll give out first you are pushing them far harder in the squats than you would otherwise. Forget the pump or whatever - just think, how hard is squating on the quads after you've pre-exhausted them.... GROAN! It's brutal, nothing less.


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